Oooops...wasn't that off-list after all. Sorry. The address field
is easy to edit... but the challenge is to REMEMBER doing it.

/Nick




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Glenn

Late reply so that's why off-list.

I would also be interested in seing these materials of yours.

Many Thanks In Advance,

/Nick



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Glenn Overton
Skickat: den 18 september 2007 19:38
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Al Troth who first created the Elk Hair Caddis really use soft hackle 
paltered over the body. I feel the back and then forward with the hackle is 
to much hackle and covers up to much of the body ,as a trout see the natural

of the fly from below and really I use no hackle over the body at all as 
long as the deer or elk hair is put on properly. Don't tie it on top as you 
do with a streamer ,it won't act or float right.
E-mail me direct and I will send you a drawing on the directions I did many 
years ago. Using a palmered hackle as All Troth did it , is starting the 
hackle back from the eye,leaving room for the wing and wind to the rear and 
tied off at the rear with a gold wire and the fine wire is wrap over the 
hackle and finish up front where the wing is applied. Don't winded the 
hackle to close as it very important that the caddis body is seen clearly .
I use the compression method to measure the amount of hair needed ,that is 
if your using the correct type of hair. Blue Ribbon Flies in West 
Yellowstone ,Montana has the perfect hair and it not listed but you can 
choose light, medium or natural dark hair.In the compression method which I 
created in my teachings over thirty five years ago is when you tie down the 
hair ,the area you tie the thread around the winged hair is equal to the 
diameter of 21/2 to 2 3/4 , larger then the diameter of the eye of the hook.

The hair also needs to come down the sides slightly below the sides of the 
body ,leaving the belly expose ,like a natural wind on a caddis . Hair just 
goes to the end of the hook and not more then that length ..This wind length

catches more fish with a wing to the end of the hook ,rather then a longer 
wing.beyond the hook . To trim it off use a curve scissors and the stub of 
hair will have a triangle ski blade in front ,extending to the tip of the 
eye of the hook Glue the triangle ski blade..The curve scissors will make a 
square trim ,where a straight blade scissor can not.
Glenn Overton
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From: "Larry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: [VFB] caddis


> Tying question.  I have been looking at several sites showing
> tutorials for tying an elk-hair caddis.  Most of them show the hackle 
> being tied in at the front of the dubbing (toward the eye of the 
> hook), then palmered back to the top of the bend, then forward 
> (through the hackle now in place) toward the eye, and the starting 
> point of the hackle.  Do you-all subscribe to this back-then-forward 
> method, or do any of you tie the hackle in at the top of the bend of 
> the hook and make only one pass (back to front) with the palmering?  
> What is the rationale for your choice?? Do you include a wire rib to 
> wrap over the hackle? Enquiring minds, etc.
>
> Larry Johnson
> Springville, Utah
>
> 






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