And there is the War On Terror aspect. In the past this list has seen
a few discussions about Subway station 'you arent allowed to film
here' legislation and the reality on the ground. I guess that one was
New York specific, cant remember details. But the basics are that if
you are videoing places that could be of interest as terrorist
targets, well you could be a terrorist doing reconnacence on the
target. And I believe they can even abstract that idea further, eg
'you are not a terrorist but if you make your footage publically
available, a terrorist could use it to plan naughty deeds'.

This sort of thing is probably not routinely taken to that extreme
yet, but this is the sort of stuff that can also potentially impinge
on your rights to film in this day and age.

And yeah this stuff too is touched by the 'size of camera' issue. If
you are being indiscreet with a big camera and filming something
somebody doesnt want you to, then theres umpteen ways to try to get
you to move on I guess, the war on terror adds one powerful new one.
But with cameras built into mobile phones, and shrunken cameras, the
whole game changes.

Still I suppose there are some circumsntances where youd actually look
more suspicious filming something with a tiny/non apparent
videocamera, compared to a larger one?

Steve of Elbows

--- In [email protected], Frank Carver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thursday, August 11, 2005, 7:55:12 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:
> > Permit for what? Do you need a permit to shoot video on the subway or
> > other locations? (I'm asking because I really don't know. Are the
> > videographers rights the same as the well known photographers rights?)
>
> What you need to remember is that traditionally TV and moviemaking has
> meant big budgets. Many big cities in the USA (where lots of such things
> are shot), long ago decided to cash in on these lucrative activities.
>
> In such places (which (AFAIK) include LA, NY, and Chicago, for example)
> you need to pay up front for a permit to shoot, and will be nabbed if
> spotted doing something that looks like pro filmmaking without a
> permit.
>
> In these cases, looking like a dumb tourist is actually an advantage
> :)
>
> On the other hand, many small towns and the more out-of-the way places
> are often happy for the publicity, and you might even get support if you
> approach the right people in the right way.
>
> --
> Frank Carver   http://www.makevideo.org.uk




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