i should let this conversation die...but it brings up so many good issues. David is also a good sport.
I saw this video today: http://waxy.org/random/video/shining_redux.mov Its completely illegal and the creator should be jailed and sued according to our current copyright law. i think its brilliant and am glad it exists. > >do you believe the RIAA suing 12 year old girls is effective or a sign > >of desperation? > > Both. Again, what choice do they have? If an increasing number of people are > costing you millions because they are illegally stealing your product, what > do you do? > If you have a home and it has a termite infestation, wouldn't you call an > exterminator? and are you inferring that people using the web for file sharing are like bugs that need exterminating? this is the exact attitude that is killing the traditional media. first, a good case has never been made that these industries are losing millions from filesharing. a better case is their lack of good product. there is the famous quote from jack valenti in the 1970's about VCR's. usually, once these new technologies are embraced...the media companies make out like bandits. > I believe to some extent that everyone should do what they want. In a sense > things are only illegal if you get caught. However, if you are caught you > should be willing to pay the price. If you don't wanna do the time, don't do > the crime. > Some people do drugs, some people pirate music, some people speed when they > drive. To me, that is each individual's choice. But those things are > illegal; if you get caught you have no one but yourself to blame for the > punishment you receive. You knew the rules and you made a choice to defy > them. If you don't like the law, work to get it changed. But until it > changes that is our reality. To pretend otherwise is at one's own expense. no one is pretending. people are making the choice. > Yes, we disagree. Yes, the creator has by far the most protection. Yes, I > believe this is fair compensation for the person who made something. > > I see it similar to patents. If anyone can copy your patent, why go through > the trouble of creating and testing it? Why invest money, when after you get > it working someone can benefit from your blood, sweat, and tears by using > part of it in their product? patents and copyrights were only supposed to be for a short period of time. i believe 15 years. Juts enough time to let you make your nut...and then your ideas went into public domain. over time...these patents have been extended into several generations. this is neither fair nor logical for the community. > If you are talking about fair use, the problem with that is it is too vague. > Consult an attorney and be sure it is worth it and is defendable. If it is > something small they likely won't go after you, but it is their right to do > so if they choose. I think you and I would agree that fair use needs to be > defined better. if a law is arbitrarily applied...is it a real law? > That is akin to stealing a Ferrari because you want one, but think they cost > too much. The twist in that is companies have to raise prices to offset the > amount of product that has been stolen. Sort of a vicious cycle. But still > doesn't adequately justify stealing. And nowadys it is so easy to get stuff > for free that a lot of people wouldn't pay for it even if it was cheaper. this is an important point to make. if you have a car..and i steal your car...you are missing something. if you have a digital file..and i make a copy of it...nothing is lost. this is the paradigm shift... as we have learned in the past...companies make more money when they embrace emerging technologies. if they fight it....their loss is their own fault. bad business. you say that if i copy a song that i should be willing to pay the punsihment. fine. if a company refuses to allow people to use the media the way they want with new technology, they should be willing to pay the price for their porr business choices. no one should be allowed to twist the laws to fit their paranoia. this is the issue. unfair lobbying influence due to the million of dollars at their fingertips. we all have our weapons. > Post on forums how you don't like the taste of Coke and think there isn't > any nutritional value to it. All within your rights. But it is where your > commentary impacts their business that you'll have problems. And just as you > are allowed to comment, Coke is allowed to sue and I am sure they have > deeper pockets. correct...and this is an important point to make. Suing is a form a censorship. if coke sues me...they know i cant fight them in courst becasue they have more money. this is censorship. plain and simple. > I would say technology is creating a generation of pirates. Ease of use and > the cost of legally obtaining material are motivating them. Though I wonder > which motivates more as I know people who could easily afford the stuff they > are downloading for free. http://blogumentary.typepad.com/vlog/2005/03/videoblog_week__2.html again, chuck's great video. companies dont get it. just let it flow. people spend in different ways. this is becoming a conversation about good vs bad business strategy. suing and incarcerating your customers is not a good strategy. > However, you yourself said laws change to meet the times and perhaps this is > one of those instances. Really, before our modern age there wasn't much > reason to have such long copyright privileges. In this case, Mickey Mouse is > the image of Disney. If he went into public domain they'd lose a ton of > money. Billions. And they would no longer have control of their image. I > could make and sell Mickey Mouse t-shirts and dolls and make Mickey Mouse > porn and Walt and company couldn't say a damn thing. but the point is...at some point...Disney cannot own the images that are part of our history. they must let go....and let it feed the culture. this was the original intent of copyright and patent laws. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging <URL: http://www.momentshowing.net> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
