Well Ham radio operators have been networking computers over radio waves for a long time. I actually saw this done before I ever saw "the Internet". Post apocalyptic scenario ... I'd imagine you'd see Ham Radios spring up quite quickly (actually they're already there ... but you'd see them become hubs of communication quite quickly). There is a well documented and pretty robust "emergency message relay" system on short wave. Stations would operate in all sorts of modes, including computers.
(random crazy thoughts follow...)
With the given that we'd have electricity somehow (some sort of generator would have to work)... regular wired Local Area Networks would pop up easily enough, I suppose. They'd probably use regular Wireless Access Points to inter-network with other small LANs in the immediate area as needed. Each of these smaller LAN would probably schedule their availability ... a few hours at a time so as to reserve power and bandwidth. They'd probably use mostly text (email/usenet style systems) to pass along vital information from one pocket of survivors to the next ... why waste valuable time/fuel for the network up-time needed to send a video message when text would take only a fraction of the time (not to mention the bandwidth that other networks might be waiting on in order to pass a message).
One of these LANs would ideally have a Ham Radio Relay Station and it could act as a gateway to other HAM stations in distant metropolitan areas. Messages from one small network to another could be routed via short wave radio (which has extremely large range) to the nearest Ham Radio Relay station.
Small LANs in wireless range of their local Ham Radio Relay station, could snyc up with the gateway during their scheduled up-time ... stations further out would have to have their messages trickle down to them over a period of time.
The number of HAM relay stations I imagine would grow quite quickly such that each major area of population would have many gateways soon.
Eventually someone would figure out how to get the satellite Internet services to work again (I imagine there would be some initial outage as their ground based ISP goes dark?) and then there'd be even more global gateways than just the HAM nets.
All of this would, I expect, be used mostly to marshal resources between survivor groups.
Things would get ever more reliable and real-time as the infrastructure is rebuilt ... assuming there is enough food/water for that to matter.
As long as the air wasnt toxic, the climate tolerable, we could find food and water, and generate electricity for at least short periods of time ...
... we'd be vlogging again in no time. :-P
- Dave
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On 11/21/05, Thomas G Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hey folks... didnt mean to compare two totally different things there.... just ignorant... cb is not ham... gotcha...
pulling things dreadfully off topic again....
i guess im just curious.... what of the internet in a post apocalyptic scenario?
although i guess.... if ur rockin ham... u dont really need to run the computer into it... u can just re-organize society by speaking... no email needed...
thoughts on the network infrastructure that will reorganize society anyone?
On 11/21/05, Kevin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I never thought that amateur radio would be discussed in a video blogger group, but it's
great to hear how it all goes hand in hand. I know any ham radio operator would freak out
if they are ever compared to cb radio operators, so I have to laugh at that. I've been a ham
(radio operator) for a couple years now because it runs in the family, but I always fear that
it's a dying bread, so it's nice to hear younger, digital orientated, people still interested in
it too!
73s KC9FNR
Kev!
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> Hehe yeah. I still really like Shortwave, but rarely find time for it
> now. If I had to fit Ham Radio into the analogy I'd liken them to
> mainstream media. It's licensed, controlled, and regulated ... where
> as things like VoIP (largely) isn't.
>
> 73s de N9LTQ
>
> :-P
>> On 11/21/05, Eric Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I love how ham radio gets brought into the mix. Two of us on our show are amateur
radio
> > operators, licensed and the whole nine, as are most of my friends. It's the most
bizarre
> > analogy I've ever seen yet.
> >
> > Unless we need licenses to blog? ;-)
> >
> > ER
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > well I'm not sure how Ham Radio got into the mix (its different than CB) ...
> > > but as a Federally Licensed Short Wave Radio Operator (HAM Radio) I'll chime
> > > in ... :-)
> > >
> > > Let me first speak to the slightly OT part: Yeah HAM operators have been
> > > operating a network of computers over short wave for ... well a long long
> > > long long long time. Ham Radio has always been an interesting (and at times
> > > vital) component in emergency/disaster communications.
> > >
> > > ok .. now back to the topic (I think).
> > >
> > > I've kinda thought of it this way in my head: VoIP is to Ham Radio as
> > > Vlogging is to TV.
> > >
> > > VoIP let people freely find/communicate with people all over the world
> > > without the entry barrier (license) or technical knowledge (Radio
> > > operation/code/etc) that things like Ham Radio have.
> > >
> > > One of the coolest things that brought young people into the hobby of Ham
> > > Radio was the wonder of sitting town and being able to have a random
> > > conversation and share ideas with people all over the world. It was great.
> > > It required a license and to learn Morse code, and to know how radio signals
> > > worked, and how to tune an antenna for the right band, and all sorts of
> > > things ... but it was great.
> > >
> > > Today ... you can do that with Yahoo Messenger. :-P
> > >
> > > The other amazing thing you could do with HAM Radio was stay in contact
> > > anywhere ... even in your car. HAMs would set up auto-patches to route
> > > Shortwave to/from land line telephones ... WHOA!
> > >
> > > Today ... we all have cell phones. :-P
> > >
> > > Understandably HAMs were somewhat concerned that their already dwindling
> > > numbers might drop off all together as this new distributed and unregulated
> > > communication medium found its place in homes all over the world. Sure there
> > > was alot of noise on this 'Internet' but the shear ease of use (comparably)
> > > was hard to ignore.
> > >
> > > Mainstream media is no doubt similarly concerned that their revenue models
> > > and programming formats are going to be serious problems as a new and
> > > engaging form of on-demand entertainment is insisted upon by more and more
> > > of the world.
> > >
> > > Ham Radio Operators eventually learned that things were going to change, but
> > > nobody was likely to go extinct. Ham Radio license requirements have
> > > changes, preferred operating methods, bandwidth has been reallocated - but
> > > HAMs are still around. Hams still use auto-patch at times (even though they
> > > have a cell phone). Hams still spend hours hunting for the perfect
> > > long-range signal (even though they could just open up an international VoIP
> > > chat room).
> > >
> > > The same will happen with media I think.
> > >
> > > Some vloggers will move more mainstream. Some mainstream will move to be
> > > more vloggish. Vloggers will have to deal with more and more show-like vlogs
> > > (and the expectation that will set in new potential viewers). Mainstream
> > > media will have to deal with the fact that people can get unfiltered news
> > > and entertainment on demand (and the expectation that will set in their
> > > viewers).
> > >
> > > People willing to look through a bit of noise will use VoIP/Vlogging
> > > scenario... the rest will find comfort in the more controlled
> > > HAM/Mainstream-Media scenario :-)
> > >
> > > Sure there's noise in our channel ... but it wont prevent the change that is
> > > bound to come.
> > >
> > > ... I think I found the point there?? ...
> > >
> > > - Dave
> > >
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