Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging

[Jan]

For the record, I don't ever want a *job and yes, vlogging *is in most respects my life. I've been working toward creating things that are served by what vlogging offers since I was but a wee lass in saddle shoes.   If you feel on the outside ask yourself this: why do you begrudge folks who make vlogging their life and livlihood and the attention that has brought them?   Churn. Yes. Definitely helps to bring new, talented folks to the top of the pot. Most of the directories have restructured their sites to feature new vloggers. What more do you want?   As MM points out, becoming part of the community, posting regularly, being active in lots of groups and community efforts will bring you up through the ranks. All the popular vloggers have done this and more, and worked tirelessly to create this community. If you are new here you have no idea the time and effort they have invested.   If what you want is to walk through the door and be lifted upon others' shoulders and given a gratuitous round of "For he's a jolly good fellow," forget it. It's not going to happen without work. Lots of work. If you think that "posting" to this or any list community means posting your URL and telling folks to visit your vlog it's not going to work. Share your expertise. Do something. Anything. But make it open source and on some level selfless.   As I'm fond of saying, "Work hard; use the proper tools."   When did it become a sin to promote friends and family? You want me to promote you? Do some small thing for me and then I will. No question. You want me to promote you? Become my friend. That means talk with me, promote me, help me, console and advise me. I will do the same for you.   Videoblogging is not television, nor is it Hollywood. We have yet to discover a vlog-voice in terms of what styles fit best in a 320 x 240 or smaller screen in 3 minutes or less. We have yet to discover a way to have vlog conversations, link-love, and quotations, back-and-forthing as simple as bloggers do that. I think the style will be closeups on faces and things. Good sound design. Good, compact ideas. In short, the short film closer in.   It is still very early in the game, folks.   Cooperation and community rule.   Gettin' off my low pony now.   XOXOX, Jan   -- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadnode101/ - Road Node 101 http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - community http://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature . ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael I To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging Phenomenal response!  Lets bring this together, expose the trials and triumphs. Your only as good as the tools provided and your only as good as the people around you. What can be done to neutralize the negative emotions around this subject?  Is this a medium that can change perception?  How easy it for us to find good content and make new people feel welcome? With so many variables, where or how can this been taken to the next level? Michael Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote: Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.     Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.   Why is this? does it put a black eye  the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity? has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression.    I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also. Mick First of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time. That said... Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :) Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself? 1) our vlogrolls? 2) directories - most popular? 3) FireAnt's 10 default feeds? 4) the recycled hot list of names used in previous articles on vloggers in the lexis nexus dbase? 5) Where else? Our minds? or is it just active participants in the vlogosphere 1) people who post videos a lot? 2) people who chat here a lot? 3) people who get active in lots of projects? 4) or simply people who make videos people love? What else determines visibility... what else embeds the status quo into the system. What else indoctrinates? How can we break the status quo? As an example... Mefeedia is developing things like favoring, tagging, reviewing, and re-vlogging (aka. their "blog this" tool) so that anyone can quickly find and just as easily promote new vlogs and videos. And we're helping you do it because it helps us build a better directory... which is the vision of "social media"... self helping, self made... like wikipedia or any wiki... but different in form. Sure there's still a way to see the most popular video feeds... but we can't deny people that, it has it's utility. What we can do is develop tools that create "churn"... that agitate the status quo... so that the mix of vlogs doesn't become a homogenized flow of same same...  and meanwhile you can do the same... the best way of course it revlogging... promote other peoples videos... keep an up to date vlog roll. It's no secrete that re-vlogging is ALL I do with my blog... what's more I seek out other projects like evilvlog.com to "re-contextualize" and challenge norms and expectations... Evilvlog is now a wild and chaotic churn of media coming from all over the vlogosphere and we're going to keep adding adding editors until it implodes.. and/or people start creating their own "evilvlogs"... seek out people of shared interest and start your own multi-person vlog or blog and let's decentralize this conversation on this yahoo group a little... because it in my mind is perhaps the one thing most responsible for this cliquish insider feeling... that new visitors get... it's well beyond it's capacity... that said perhaps I shouldn't even be posting here... but to say... disperse.. find or build new fertile lands for conversation... it's completely within your power. BTW, some other ideas on creating more churn, in addition to AWSOME collaborative re-vlogging. Perhaps mefeedia and fireant should both create _javascript_ objects for dropping in the right hand sidebar of a vlog that would contain a list of vlogs one is currently subscribed to on mefeedia or fire ant... An up to the minute vlog roll. Perhaps also a tool for displaying the items in one's personal queue of media or playlist... to put in the right hand side bar of their vlog. Perhaps also a tool for displaying my recently favorited or tagged videos in the right hand side bar of my vlog. FireANT, Vlogdir, Blip, Audi blog and others might find ways to follow suit. These things like live vlog rolls would have a TREMENDOUS impact on search traffic and traffic flow. I would absolutely love to see what Steve Garfield, Ryanne, and Josh Leo and indeed all my friends are subscribed to at any different moment, what their tagging, what they're favoriting.  All this on the face of their vlog. The search engines would go NUTS!   I encourage you to look for other ways of promoting the mix and churn. The solution to this issue in my mind lies in ongoing work around the following fundamental systematic / architectural question. How can we drive traffic out to the edges of the network and strengthen traffic and connections between those decentralized nodes? The edges of the network are your vlogs... and the key activators are you. Services and tools should be focusing on empowering you to build better ties with other vlogs. So, think different.  Think Umpa lumpa! CHURN is good, churn is great, churn is what drives the great debate. LOL! -Mike On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote: Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.    Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.  Why is this? does it put a black eye  the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity? has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression.   I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also. Mick ManCheeseMo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uh, how original.  What exactly am I promoting?  I don't even have a vlog to promote yet. My point is that the "good ol' boy" network gets old.  If you are buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated vlogs, you'll get extra attention. There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than promoting themselves and their friends. IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is everything to them.  The funny part is that most people don't care to watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things.  Just wait until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular you are(n't). Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else. They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the self-promoting crowd). Just look how sensative they get when their "power" is questioned. To those: get a life, or better yet, a job. Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from this group.  Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool people? SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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