M. Meiser, you seem to be making sense but only from an anarchist's point of view... those who are less interested in these distinctions and could be happy with shuffling terminology all around their vocab in relation to this topic. This is fine and dandy.... This discussion is less about how it can be feasible to intermix.and apply "vlog" to this and that all all the in betweens. There is no stopping loose usage. I'm not even trying to police it. I'm just saying... as are Andreas and Steve, that their are indeed distinctions.... clear ones. And most importantly, i see zero risk and degrade by talking about these distinctions... as they can lead to more clarification to the familiar 'parts' of digital media distribution on the internet.
Books are being written... curriculums are being formed.... Tutorials are being molded.
It helps a great to deal to use accurate language to convey each and the sum of all parts.
It's not necessary. People in the end choose to adopt and adapt language the way they want.
But for those interested and willing to offer structural descriptions and distinctions now, it helps mold the language into a more manageable state. Saying 'vlog' is many many things, even if the 'log' part is missing.... is counter-productive in this discussion.
Also, i'd like to add a minor ammendment to my last stated argument.
This will cover those who think a blog must have RSS to be a blog.... hence a videoblog must have RSS, something i disagree with.... but here is another fact:
Fictional Example:
HotVideoNews, Inc is a web log (blog) that includes video created by independent/amateur video journalists. They use Wordpress and have all the bloggy features enabled. They attach, link to and/or embed video in their blog posts. They also have an RSS feed.
Does this sound like a videoblog?
The difference in this example is.... the RSS Feed is not utilizing the item 'enclosure' to syndicate the video away from the blog post.... instead the RSS Feed is used to alert a subscribing audience that their is a new video and story posted. Users follow the permalink and watch the video on the web site. The business logic in doing this supports the idea that web traffic is more important and an executive decision is made to assure that traffic to the site is maximized. Revenue depends on it.... through sponsor ads and the such.
So here we have a situation where RSS is used, just not with enclosures or mRSS or any XML spec that allows for easy media attachments so aggregators can download them.
What we have here is definately a blog and definately a videoblog.
What is missing is the vodcast/podcast.
As Steve pointed out, some do the opposite. Some dont have the blog but use software that generates the RSS feed with enclosures... This is the vodcast/podcast with a missing blog.
This is a different approach but instances of this are becoming more common. They will have a regular web page and associate their 'Channel' with it. It makes sense for some projects and businesses.
So, i dont agree that 'vlog' should encompass all of these scenarios... instead you should look at terms suuch as "Internet Video" or "Internet TV" or even "IPTV" for that job. Not 'vlog'.
It's clear as day to me.
sull
On 12/27/05, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Hi Michael,
You just found someone. I agree with Andreas.
Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting.
Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me. Andreas?
RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can watch
a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts.
I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them. They aren't
even blogs. Just static web pages. These pages require you to
subscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there. So it's not a
videoblog, just a videopodcast.
On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote:
> As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting... absurd...
> no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that they
> are different.
--Steve
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