> > On Dec 29, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Enric wrote: > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Meiser > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: >>> >>> First things first: Michael Sullivan said what I wanted to say, >>> 100%. >>> >>> Steve, the only ammendment to what you wrote below is that the >>> reciever >>> has a lot more to say in digital media than in traditional media. >>> >>> Thus while you create a videoblog - a good example of one, actually >>> - your >>> readers can transform that into what I label a video podcast >>> (vodcast to >>> Sullivan; just VOD if you want to be simple). >> >> Andreas I completely agree with everything you say and find it >> extremely interesting... but if I don't keep pointing out the >> absurdity of this VOD/podcast/vodcast laebling system I'm sure >> someone else will... it's a damn "video feed only with no blog"... >> while you give three diferrent labels I still feel noone is following >> you but myself and a few others because you do not explain what this >> label means. You're becoming intellectually exclusive. What's more >> it's for no reason at all as perfectly fine language exists. :) >> >> Nothing personal I figure it was my turn to play the devil's >> advocate... I've been taking it easy for far too long. >> >> This is the last time I bring it up... for a while anyway... from now >> on I'll sit back as I have been and watch others attack the labels >> and the conversation break down into argument over and over and over >> about just what these labels mean... meanwhile more people will be >> alienated or hurt and no little progress will be made on what is >> actually good fine debate about the different merits of blogging >> mechanisms. >> >> Peace... >> >> - Mike >> > > Labels, schmabels...make some tech...make some tools. ;) > > Happy twothousandandsix!
That's the spirt... there are two kinds of people in the world... those who make the tools to make cool shit possible... and those that make the cool shit... I call them coolio's and coolie's. Enric, I'll help make the tools if you make the cool videos... that's all I care about. Happy twothousandandsix to everyone! -Mike > >>> It takes two sides to make a >>> medium. Previously the reciever could just recieve. A tv program >>> would >>> always be a tv program because no one on the recieving end could >>> change >>> anything. >>> >>> With digital media the reciever can change the medium because they >>> have a >>> larger degree of control. For example any reader can take your >>> videoblog >>> and transform it into a vodcast. They can take the video file out >>> of it's >>> blog and move it to a tv or an iPod. In that reading situation your >>> videoblog is no longer a videoblog, but a vodcast. >>> >>> Of course it's not a 1:1 transformation. The content changes (and >>> the >>> reception changes) - they are different media after all. >>> >>> My simple point in all this has been that there exist two different >>> media: >>> videoblog and vodcast. And content which works well in one medium >>> might >>> not work well after being transformed into the other. My initial >>> thesis is >>> that traditional tv content works really well in vodcasting - and >>> thus >>> creators can learn a whole lot from tv production - while >>> videoblogging is >>> not suited for traditional tv content and requires new ways of >>> "writing" >>> and "reading". It's not something I've dug deep into as my focus has >>> always been on videoblogging and not differences between >>> videoblogging and >>> vodcasting. >>> >>> - Andreas >>> >>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:17:13 +0100, Steve Garfield >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> You just found someone. I agree with Andreas. >>>> >>>> Here's my distinction between video blogging and video podcasting. >>>> Let's see if I can get at least one person to agree with me. >>>> Andreas? >>>> >>>> RSS feeds that don't have an accessible Video blog, where you can >>>> watch >>>> a video, are not video blogs, they are just video podcasts. >>>> >>>> I'm starting to see web pages that have NO VIDEO on them. They >>>> aren't >>>> even blogs. Just static web pages. These pages require you to >>>> subscribe via iTunes to watch the videos. No blog there. So it's >>>> not a >>>> videoblog, just a videopodcast. >>>> >>>> On Dec 26, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Michael Meiser wrote: >>>> >>>>> As for trying to separate vlogging from video podcasting... >>>>> absurd... >>>>> no two people would ever agree to some distinction or even that >>>>> they >>>>> are different. >>>> >>>> --Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> <URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ > >>> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- >>> ~--> >>> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! >>> http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ~-> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
