Who says everything should be free (as in beer)? If you want to do something, sometimes that requires an investment of time/money. Especially if you believe that the thing you're starting will actually make money one day and you will be able to recoup your initial investment.
-josh On 1/3/06, Michael Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I forgot about those too... > > -hosting/bandwidth > -equitment > -space > -time costs > > It all ads up to not cheap... but we're leveragers... we all make > things work buy leveraging tools we already have for things we > need... i.e. Amanda's getting some good exposure... as is Andrew... > and I'm sure they have their own personal motives and residual profits. > > -Mike > > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Bill Streeter wrote: > > Yeah I always found the $25 a day number a little misleading too. I > don't think that this accounts for the hosting and bandwidth costs > either. > > Bill Streeter > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS > www.lofistl.com > > --- In [email protected], Michael Meiser <groups-yahoo- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Ron Watson wrote: > >> > >> I would have to say that Rocketboom's numbers are a bit scary, > >> especially on a production budget of next to nothing. > > > > I'd like to point out that the production cost of rocketboom > reported > > as $25 a day are not the true costs... much as I love them this > is > > totally misleading. This does not take into account the cost of > the > > space... even if it is Andrews apartment is still has a cost... > the > > cost of the equipment even if bought and paid for... which > including > > cameras and laptops may be well over $10k... and most importantly > the > > coast of Andrew's and Amanda's time... which is most definitely > well > > over $100k a year... or they are seriously undervaluing their > talent. :) > > > > I always keep my time and equipment costs in mind in whatever I > do > > and try to minimize them in whatever I do... to lie to yourself > about > > such costs can be very costly. > > > >> Imagine if a bunch of Democracy Now's sprung up and got similar > to > >> 'broadcast' numbers... What if we had a bunch of pro-peace > Vloggers > >> publishing regularly in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? What > if > >> they were really good? > > > > I think Democracy Now and pro-peace bloggers would have to > seriously > > reshape their image to capture that kind of market... it requires > > some real polish and talent but I really think it can be done... > To > > find out what I'm talking about check out the Viridian Design > > Movement - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viridian_Design_Movement - > > > and it's WorldChaning.org > > > > As a friend of mine would say... think "green is sexy"... think > > "poltics is sexy"... think "intelligence is sexy"... now drill > that > > point home. I think this was Peta's aim when they highered that > one > > baywatch chick what's her name... unimportant... anyway... wether > it > > has worked or not is questionable. > > > >> I think that this medium, while it will probably never take > over > >> from corporate media, is earth shattering. It gives people, for > >> next to nothing, regular old people, the right to be heard. It > does > >> so with moving pictures, which has been pretty much the sole > realm > >> of corporate media since moving pictures were created. > >> > > > > Exactly. > > > >> If a picture tells a thousand words, how many does a well made > film > >> piece tell? > >> > >> Regular people simply are not allowed to say that much. > > > > Pessimist. pick up you're camera or mic or pen... we're > listening. :) > > > >> You can only say that much if you are making money on it, or if > you > >> have the money to buy it. You have to earn the right to speak > that > >> loud. > >> > >> What does the media stand to lose to Vlogging? Billions in lost > ad > >> revenue? Control over information? Exclusivity? Maybe their > >> customers will develop their own distribution system and cut > them > >> out entirely instead of making billion dollar ad buys? Who > knows? > >> But one thing is for sure, we threaten them, lots. > > > > I think actually... I have this weird theory... that they > ironically > > have much to gain... but much like all my ideas it's wholy > > unsubstantiated.... Except for what's happening in the blogging > and > > news world with certain large newspapers and certain hyper local > ones > > that are getting the hang of how to work with bloggers not > against > > them. Also it's being discussed as an aspect of long tail > theory... I > > call it the "breadth vs. depth" debate... My point is as the > breadth > > of media widens... there will also be tremendous growth and at > least > > some of that growth will happen in the mainstream media tool.... > Why? > > because intellectual property markets are "appreciative" goods... > > meaning the more people are aware of them and appreciate them... > the > > more value they gain. Our media industry is big... but it doesn't > > have access to the rest of the world market... ironically as it's > > decentralized and deregulated it will be introduced to vast new > > markets... vast new markets with a new appreciation for American > > Film... We're seeing this for example with the NY Times and > > Washington post... I think their value and indeed their markets > are > > larger than ever in this world of millions of bloggers... we need > > sources of record now more than ever... They may not steer the > > debate any longer (not that they have for the last half the > century, > > radio then TV took over)... but they are now the recorders and > > aggregators and pulse takers of the conversation. And as the > NYTimes > > pay only archive indicates they think their historical record is > > where their value is at... though... I'm not totally agreeing on > that. > > > > Peace, > > > > -Mike > > mmeiser.com/blog > > and evilvlog.com > > > >> ron > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Dec 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: > >> > >>> there is some copacetic room and we are not to be feared as > much > >>> as some think. > >>> the technology is helping to level and balance media > distribution > >>> but nothing will get toppled. > >>> we are not going to blow there house down. we are just playing > in > >>> the same space in our own houses. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 12/24/05, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> (from a link from the link below) http://www.ipdemocracy.com / > >>> > >>> Therefore, if a content or application provider wants higher- > >>> speed, higher quality delivery to the customer, some kind of > >>> access payment would apply. What's interesting is not this > issue — > >>> it's been widely reported — but a statement by an AT&T > spokesman, > >>> one which hints at a possible new tack by the telcos in > resolving > >>> to their favor the net neutrality fight. > >>> > >>> "Our IP [Internet protocol] video service is not the same thing > as > >>> the Internet," AT&T spokesman Mike Balmoris said. He said AT&T > >>> would permit unfettered access on the Internet portion of its > >>> network. > >>> This distinction between "the Internet" and IP video could be > the > >>> next nuance in the broadband providers' fight for the right to > >>> pick and choose among IP-based applications. By dubbing video- > >>> based services as "not the Internet," or by creating different > >>> tiers on the network ( i.e. the Internet tier, the IP video > tier, > >>> maybe, even, the VoIP tier), broadband providers have a better > >>> chance of crafting network neutrality rules that nonetheless > >>> ensure their abilities to discriminate among the most > problematic > >>> new IP-based services, namely those that entail video. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Right here is the real problem with the Google Trap. > >>> > >>> Once again we will get screwed by the need for advertisements. > >>> Anyone remember the Information Superhighway? So democratic, > so > >>> empowering for people; every man a publisher, where did that go? > >>> > >>> The same place that vlogging is going to go if we are not > careful. > >>> > >>> I have been posting video online since 1998, you know back in > the > >>> days of the Information Superhighway, and back then, in Dallas, > a > >>> T1 line was $800. > >>> > >>> Enter eBusiness and what happened? Bandwidth tripled in a > year. > >>> Just like that, I was priced out of the game. The reason I was > >>> priced out of the game is that, unlike AOL, or Viacom, I > ACTUALLY > >>> HAVE TO PAY FOR MY BANDWIDTH, I cannot write it off, or if I > could > >>> right it off, I could not afford the $30k/year to run > Frisbeedog > >>> videos. > >>> > >>> This is exactly where the Google Advision model will take us. > We > >>> will have tiers: corporate tier: secure, big, fast, high > quality > >>> and then there will be the dipshit tier, which we will all > operate > >>> on, except for maybe Rocketboom (nice infomercial they did the > >>> other day, eh?) and the others lucky enough to get corporate > play. > >>> > >>> My guess is that it will be the security issues that are used > to > >>> do us in as a force in media. That and the > delegitimizing "forget > >>> about that dog chasing his tail" and "quality programming" > >>> comments coming from techie analysts. You can expect many more > >>> 'darknet' horror stories and security concerns. > >>> > >>> We are the number one threat to corporatism. We threaten > corporate > >>> power by the ease and scope of our little 'dog chasing tail' > >>> videos, and the 'dog chasing tail' or 'drunk college kid' > videos > >>> combined with security issues are going to weaken us to the > point > >>> that we will have to take the second tier for lack of public > >>> support and understanding. > >>> > >>> Will vlogging go the way of the Information Superhighway? I > hope > >>> not, but it sure looks that way. > >>> > >>> Hate to be such a downer, but we are going to face serious > >>> problems in this medium, and the lack of understanding of > >>> corporatism and media are going to be serious problems. > Rocketboom > >>> on Tivo scared me a bit. The commentary from the link below > scares > >>> me even more. > >>> > >>> ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Dec 24, 2005, at 2:37 AM, David Cronshaw wrote: > >>> > >>>> Let's all for a moment take off our community videoblogging > hats > >>>> and put on a Google Video business hat. Om Malik has a good > >>>> perspective as to what Google Video is intending to do... > >>>> > >>>> http://gigaom.com/2005/12/15/google-video-a-new-cash-machine/ > >>>> > >>>> bdc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected], Michael Sullivan > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump. > >>>>> > >>>>> note: i dont like google video. > >>>>> note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. > >>>>> note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/ > >>>> swf... thats very > >>>>> poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's > a > >>>> web based > >>>>>> playback object only... in ! so far as people DON'T have > >>>> optional donloadable/ > >>>>>> portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it > won't > >>>> go anywhere. I > >>>>>> LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone > did... > >>>> I'd love to > >>>>>> revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... > that's > >>>> IT. > >>>>>> AND that's just for starters... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no > remixing, > >>>> little to no > >>>>>> opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the > FLV is > >>>>>> downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing > around > >>>> with each file > >>>>>> every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url > to a > >>>> page sharing. > >>>>>> Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't > >>>> dowload or copy > >>>>>> 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no > telling > >>>> what you can > >>>>>> download and copy unless you know what you're doing and > try it. > >>>>>> And yes, I'm specifically t! alking about google video. > It's > >>>> a trap... a > >>>>>> d ead end.... mark my words no future will come of google > >>>> video in it's > >>>>>> current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's > a > >>>> toy.... it has > >>>>>> no outward looking search... and nothing else can search > it. > >>>> It's a walled > >>>>>> garden... a darknet that just happens to have > be "pretty"... > >>>> it has NO > >>>>>> interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not > >>>> yahoo video search > >>>>>> or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no > >>>> webjay... no NOTHING. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down > >>>> media / portable > >>>>>> / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll > out > >>>> with a tool > >>>>>> that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's > a > >>>> freaking test > >>>>>> tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! > >>>>>> I mean where would google's legendary web page search be > >>>> today if they'd > >>>>>> say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our s! earch is > >>>> going to work for the > >>>>>> pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! > >>>> We're going to > >>>>>> rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no > value > >>>> when it > >>>>>> doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the > hosting > >>>> doesn't work > >>>>>> when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their > system > >>>> and not > >>>>>> accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not > be > >>>> confused by > >>>>>> the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for > the > >>>> search of video > >>>>>> I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions > are > >>>> what google > >>>>>> offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search > >>>> becomes a true > >>>>>> search solution and you can find videos on the whole of > the > >>>> web it's nothing > >>>>>> but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve > any > >>>> of the larger > >>>>>> issues of finding videos i! s MUTE. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2) ...and as far as host ing... like I said... anyone is > >>>> better... why > >>>>>> bother uploading your videos when you can't even download > >>>> them? Forget the > >>>>>> FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going > to > >>>> share these > >>>>>> videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one > by > >>>> one!? Email > >>>>>> around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out > my > >>>> video! Great, > >>>>>> awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these > videos... > >>>> how am I > >>>>>> going to quote them... "you know about half way in when > you > >>>> do that one > >>>>>> thing"... great! Can you put them on your blog and make > ad > >>>> revene from them? > >>>>>> WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can > LOOK > >>>> at them... oh > >>>>>> so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely > >>>> inaccessible for > >>>>>> anything other than looking at... heh... you can always > >>>> screen snap them! > >>>>>> Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, > right... > >>>> it's jus! t stuff > >>>>>> to "look at" that's all, right? It's not anything more > than > >>>> just looking, > >>>>>> right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look > at > >>>> that... look > >>>>>> at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's > >>>> right there on > >>>>>> google video for you to look at. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's > >>>> pages... think > >>>>>> of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense > as > >>>> the Music > >>>>>> industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why > the > >>>> heck does this > >>>>>> only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a > monopoly? > >>>> Why... because > >>>>>> you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's > what > >>>> you got! Wake up > >>>>>> and smell the coffee. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... > they're > >>>> fundamentally > >>>>>> inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or > >>>> searchability > >>>>>> ! outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... > y > >>>> ou get the damn > >>>>>> play button and the slide bar because that's what google > said > >>>> you could have > >>>>>> bitch ... want a timestamp... screw you... no flash > plugin.. > >>>> screw you... > >>>>>> want it on your ipod...screw you... want to put it in a > >>>> playlist with your > >>>>>> other home movies... screw you... want to project it on a > >>>> damn wall.. screw > >>>>>> you... want to quote it.. .screw you... play it at your > >>>> wedding, barmitzfa, > >>>>>> family reunion... just as long as you don't mind playing > it > >>>> in the google > >>>>>> web page and have a highspeed connection! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ARE YOU ALL FOLLOWING ME? There's this thing... it's > called > >>>> fair use... > >>>>>> it's a suggestion that perhaps the creator might not have > an > >>>> idea of every > >>>>>> intended use for media in the world... there's this thing > >>>> called digital > >>>>>> rights management... and don't tell me google isn't using > >>>> digital rights > >>>>>> management... you're ri! ghts to use that content are > >>>> completley and totally > >>>>>> "managed". a duck is a duck no matter what you call it. > >>>> ANyway digital > >>>>>> management assumes that every concieved usage for content > is > >>>> known... google > >>>>>> assumes they know the one possible concieved usage of a > >>>> video... and that's > >>>>>> all you'll ever need people... if you agree... good for > >>>> you... you know it's > >>>>>> your choice... yeah, I'm being condesending here, glad > you > >>>> noticed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Google have decided you WILL watch the file in their web > page > >>>> in a browser > >>>>>> with flash and that's IT PERIOD. Argue with that.. and > argue > >>>> that none of > >>>>>> the other infinite possibilities matter... do it... I'm > >>>> egging anyone on... > >>>>>> I'm picking a fight... something I never do... but I > won't > >>>> hesitate to pick > >>>>>> a fight on this... google video is a fucking TRAP! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, why bother with a born loser... And I do mean bo! rn > >>>> loser... still > >>>> > >>>>>> born, whatever you want to call it... unless google > suddently > >>>> does a 180 one > >>>>>> day out of the blue and says we bless they merry > gentleman > >>>> with media > >>>>>> permalinks... to direct downloadable files... and stops > >>>> limiting their > >>>>>> search to only videos people have uploaded to them I > could > >>>> care less about > >>>>>> their service... I'm going to go use an OPEN hosting > service > >>>> like blip or > >>>>>> archive.org... something ACCESSIBLE... and a search tool > like > >>>> yahoo that > >>>>>> allows me to find things on the other 99.999% of the web. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Google video is just another tyrant in a long line of > >>>> tyrants... I can't > >>>>>> understand why anyone would bother? All hail the tyrant > is > >>>> dead! All hail > >>>>>> the new tyrant! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, I'm picking a fight on this one, I don't normally > speak > >>>> quite this > >>>>>> boldly in comdemnation but, fuck google video. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> GOOGLE VIDEO IS A MEDIA TRAP! > >>>>>> > >>>> ! > > Got that! Ok... I saved the best for last... GOOGLE > VIDEO > >>>> DOESN'T WORK FOR > >>>>>> VLOGGERS AT ALL!!! What need more I say. Argue with that! > >>>> Enclose that! > >>>>>> Stick that in your itunes, fireant, DTV, iPod, PSP... > stick > >>>> it in your web > >>>>>> page... YOU CAN'T! Use google to find the videos on your > >>>> blog, you're > >>>>>> friends vlog... heh where's my videos in google... heh > >>>> where's rocketbooms! > >>>>>> Andrew, sorry to use you as an example but you started > this. > >>>> Are you going > >>>>>> to upload all your rocketboom videos to google so they'll > >>>> appear in google's > >>>>>> search engine... what kind of revenue opportunities do > you > >>>> think you'll make > >>>>>> from that one link google blesses your homepage with? I > >>>> laught... the idea > >>>>>> of google's utility is absurd... Google does not include > >>>> vlogs in it's > >>>>>> search... google does not allow it's videos to be > vlogged! > >>>> What need more > >>>>>> be said! > >>>>>>>> How did I allowed myself to get sucked into thi s > >>>> pointless discussion > >>>> > >>>>>> anyway... Google video sucks... end of story... I think > I've > >>>> made my > >>>>>> point... next question please. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Mike > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> flash video has grown on me. > >>>>>> i used to spit on it in relation to > videoblogging/vodcasting. > >>>>>> the one gripe that still prevails is that you cant remix > >>>> it.... so it > >>>>>> excudes that part of this culture. which sucks bad. you > could > >>>> transcode flv > >>>>>> to mp4 of course, but its another step and potential > lossy > >>>> issues. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> but, flv has a very important role that should not be > ignored > >>>> by anyone... > >>>>>> businesses focus on it for good reason. > >>>>>> you may not be able to remix it easily, but you can share > >>>> it...and > >>>>>> everyone can play it online and soon offline playback will > be > >>>> mor ecommon > >>>>>> too. > >>>>>>>> and as soon as XSPF video player is ready, that will be > huge. > >>>>>> even without XSPF, there are other xml playlist formats > that > >>>> flv players > >>>>>> use. > >>>>>> playlists, in my opinion, are a huge part of our culture. > >>>> revlogs are > >>>>>> playlists. metafeeds are playlists etc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> even fireant and others will eventually have proper > support > >>>> for flv > >>>>>> playback if not already. > >>>>>> imagine if flv played on the video iPod. it could if > *they* > >>>> chose to > >>>>>> allow it. > >>>>>> maybe macromedia or some other company will one day come > out > >>>> with a device > >>>>>> that does? imagine that. some cell phones already do, > right? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> sull > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 12/23/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I was never meaning to suggest Flash is the way to go > for > >>>> most people > >>>>>>>> and also I didn't even expect hotlinking, ! etc into > >>>> one's website or > >>>>>>>> aggregato r. I wasn't suggesting anyone on this list > drop > >>>> anything for > >>>>>>>> Google. > >>>>>>>> I really only just brought it up as a stepping stone > for > >>>> newbees or > >>>>>>>> people who would want to do video without a committed > >>>> life of > >>>>>>>> videoblogging. > >>>>>>>> I think its a good and easy way to get your videos > online > >>>> if you are > >>>>>>>> not a hard core videoblogger. I think its much easier > >>>> than any other > >>>>>>>> solution, its dependable and fast and it seems like > its a > >>>> nice > >>>>>>>> sandbox for people who would like to experiment with > the > >>>> idea of > >>>>>>>> having video that they make online. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> agreed. > >>>>>>> maybe gogle might connect google video with blogger one > day. > >>>>>>> all the pieces are there. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> i was just bringing up the flash discussion...becasue i > see > >>>> that its> > > becoming very popular in some circles. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> jay > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Adventures in Videoblogging > >>>>>>> <URL: http://www.momentshowing.net> > >>>>>>> < http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing > > >>>>>>> <http://getFireAnt.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yahoo! 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