[videoblogging] rel=no_enclosure + CC License clause for re-hosting controls (was: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?)

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:17:42 -0700

So, let's discuss.

pros and cons to these two thoughts please....

1*
Semantic HTML is used to specify a media link that should be used as an RSS enclosure in the form of rel=enclosure.  see here:
http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-enclosure

Their are cases when hotlinking to media in a blog post etc where the author does not want to re-syndicate that media in RSS as a downloadable enclosure (attached file).

So, should their be an opposing rel=no_enclosure so services like feedburner and blog engines etc can easily skip that media excluding it from the RSS channel?

2*
Should Licenses such as Creative Commons provide optional clauses that state whether or not the media can be re-hosted without opt-in and re-distributed from that host?
Would this streamline how media travels within all of the mediaspheres on the Internet?

Thanks,

sull

On 4/10/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Michael,

I think you are on the right track.  What you're alluding to is using Semantic HTML.

(Some of you may have heard the term "Micformat" before.  A "Microformat" is basically just Semantic HTML with a Specification.)

Although, just to nit-pick :-)  ... It should be class="no_enclosure" (instead of rel="no_enclosure") if you're putting this on an <object> or <embed> element.  (I won't bore you with the details of "why" unless you ask to hear it.)

Semantic HTML has the advantage that this is machine readable.  That way the whole process can be automated.  (And not just by your vlogging software, but by many many other kinds of software too.  Which produces all sorts of social implications.  Which are hopefully "good".)


See ya

On 4/10/06, Michael Sullivan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hmmm,  maybe we should have a rel=no_enclosure too ;-)
On 4/10/06, Devlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 4/10/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hi Charles,

<snip>

one really interesting thing that happened during the whole veoh debacle that i hadn't considered and am considering now is that media feeds might pick up the vids and attribute them to me if they are "hot linked". that's not good, i think. i am rethinking how i do it now. my concern has always been that an extra step to view the video will prevent many readers/viewers from watching the videos, which would be a shame. there is so much excellent content out there!

I think the main problem is that when media is embedded (please correct me if I am wrong) it is picked up in the feed as an enclosure...I guess a thumbnail would be safe.

Not sure that your plugin does Enric?  Does the media file have an enclosure tag?
 
On 4/10/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,

My question is.... Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?

(People would probably call this "hot linking".)

NOTE: I'm NOT talking about re-hosting or transcoding.  This would be getting the video straight from the vloggers site.

And more importantly, if it isn't Fair Use, should it be?  And an equally important question, if it is Fair Use, should it not be?

Also (assuming you think it is OK to "hot link" to videos), what would be the "best" ways to do it?...
  • Is it OK to use the HTML <a> element to link directly to the video?  (Either llinking in text or a thumbnail or a flipbook of the video?)
  • Is it OK to use the HTML <embed> or <object> elements to link directly to the video?  This would essentially be playing video on inside of someone else's page.
  • Should the "hotlinker" add any extra data along with the "hotlinking"?  (Like the title, description, a linkback, etc)
  • How does all this relate to (RSS and Atom) feeds?
  • How does all this relate to semantic HTML usage?
  • How does all this relate to SMIL usage?

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