Hey Harold,
You are correct that (technically) Semantic HTML is part of the semantic
web. (However... just to avoid confusion I should say... when many many
people talk about the Semantic Web, they are talking about RDF. I am NOT
talking about RDF. I'm talking about a part of the semantic web that has
nothing to do with RDF... just Semantic HTML.)
The first thing to realize is that Semantic HTML is just regular HTML.
You're just making use of features that were always there. (You might
already be using them and not even know you are writing Semantic HTML.)
And BTW... "semantics" is just a fancy word for "meaning". If I were to
ask, "what are the semantics of this?"... I would be asking, "what does this
mean?"
So.... here's some Semantic HTML you are already probably familiar with....
You can specify that a thing is a paragraph with the <p> element. So for
example...
<p>
This is a paragraph. Simple, eh?!
</p>
(Anyone who has ever written something like that has written Semantic HTML.)
Also, if you are quoting something, you can use the <blockquote> element or
the <q> element. For example...
<p>
John said, <q>hello Jane</q>.
</p>
If you want to add a bit more semantics, you could specify where John said
that. Imagine if he said it online, maybe in a chat session or something,
and there is a log of it at "http://example.com/chatlog/123";, then we could
write...
<p>
John said, <q cite="http://example.com/chatlog/123";>hello Jane</q>.
</p>
There are ALOT more HTML elements that give all sorts of semantics. I won't
enumerate them all, but hopefully that gives you some idea of it.
So.... having said that... what if there is no HTML element to express what
you are trying to say? What then?
Well, HTML has a way of dealing with this. HTML provides the "class"
attribute for this. For example, what if we wanted an HTML element to
specify an "article". There's no <article> element. So we could do
something like this...
<div class="article">
Blah blah blah.
</div>
(<div> and <span> are kind of "blank' elements. They're useful when you
want to kind of to make your own HTML elements.)
Now... some people might be thinking, "wait... the class attribute is only
for styling". I used to think that myself. Well, it is true that the
"class" attribute can be used for styling. BUT... it can be used for adding
semantics too -- for adding meaning too. It's in the HTML spec!... and many
people use it that way. (That's part of what the Microformats thing is all
about.)
And here's an example that appears on ALOT of webpages (according to a
Google report)...
<div class="footer">
Blah blah blah.
</div>
Many many many people on the web specify the "footer" like that (because
there is no <footer> element).
Here's another example that's a bit more complex. What if I wanted an
element that I could use to specify PHP code. Well, there's the <code>
element. But that doesn't say it is PHP code. However, I could do
something like the following...
<code class="php">$x = file_get_contents("http://example.com/it.html
");</code>
Here I used an existing non-blank HTML element and added a class name to it
to specify the semantics I wanted.
(That's kind of the basics of Semantic HTML. If I didn't explain things
well enough and it's still a bit unclear... let me know and I can explain it
more.)
So.... getting back to our vlogging stuff. We'd need to either use existing
HTML elements or use HTML class names to give "meaning" -- to give
"semantics" -- to vlog posts.
Things like: the title, the summary, the video(s), the thumnails, etc etc.
Basically we'd need to figure out what existing HTML elements people could
use and pick some class names for things where we need a bit more semantics
than HTML provides already.
That way a machines... like backup software... could find all the important
stuff.
Did I explain that well enough?
On 11/15/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't know anything about Semantic HTML, nor the Semantic Web (which
> I'm assuming is related; please correct me if I'm wrong), but this
> *sounds* like a really good thing. Still, do you mind explaining it a
> bit more, or pointing in the direction of more info.? Perhaps doing
> so will generate more interest and besides, wouldn't want you to go to
> all the trouble unless I (or anyone else) really knows what you're
> talking about...
>
> Harold
> Sniffing around Wikipedia
> for more on Semantic HTML...
> http://somethingthathappened.com
>
>
> On 11/15/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]<supercanadian%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > You know, another way of backing up the system in a "good way" would be
> if
> > you used some Semantic HTML in your Blogger template. (I believe that it
> > would be actually pretty simple to do if you put them into your
> template.
> > So you template would automagically do this for you.)
> >
> > So... for example, in the HTML code (using HTML "class" names or
> something)
> > you could mark what the title is, what the body is, what the video is,
> what
> > the thumbnail is, etc etc.
> >
> > And then you could have some software that automatically runs and backs
> up
> > your stuff. (Basically just scrapping it off the website without needing
> > access to the database.)
> >
> > Actually... I could write the software pretty easily. So... if any one
> is
> > interested... we could come up with a way of adding Semantic HTML to
> vlog
> > posts. And I could write software for people to use to backup their
> stuff.
> > (It would be pretty easy actually.)
> >
> > Let me know if anyone is interesting.
> >
> >
> > See ya
> >
> > On 11/15/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<harold.johnson%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've done the Blogger -> WordPress migration a couple of times, with
> > > mixed
> > > results. Apparently, recent versions of WordPress (2.0 and above)
> provide
> > > better methods for migrating from Blogger. I've yet to make the
> decision
> > > to
> > > do so with somethingthathappened.com yet, though...
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > > On 11/15/06, Eric Skiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > <glitchcast%40gmail.com><glitchcast%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > unfortunately, SFTP backup of stuff at blogger (if you have access
> to
> > > > it)
> > > > wouldn't back up the info in the database (IE, all your blog
> entries) as
> > > > far
> > > > as I understand it. With wget, you'd at least get the text of your
> > > > entries,
> > > > but you'd have to re-enter all of that into whatever software you
> > > > transition
> > > > to.
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure there are some blogger -> wordpress conversion
> tools,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > don't know too much about them.
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone here a blogger guru? What are your options for extracting
> your
> > > > entries for backup or import elsewhere?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -E
> > > >
> > > > On 11/15/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <supercanadian%40gmail.com><supercanadian%
> 40gmail.com>
> > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Harold,
> > > > >
> > > > > "scp" and "sftp" would be better (for backup purposes) than "wget"
> or
> > > > > "curl", since they get the actual server-side files.
> > > > >
> > > > > The main thing is to make it automatic though.
> > > > >
> > > > > (So if you've got automatic backups going with "scp" or "sftp"
> > > > already...
> > > > > then that's better.)
> > > > >
> > > > > See ya
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/14/06, Harold Johnson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <harold.johnson%40gmail.com><harold.johnson%
> 40gmail.com>
> > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>
> > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>>
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm all over wget and curl, Charles -- though I always forget
> how to
> > > > use
> > > > > > them! (And for some strange reason man is not working on my OS X
> > > > system
> > > > > --
> > > > > > you know, the 'man' command?) Does those commands do a better
> backup
> > > > job
> > > > > > than using something like sftp or scp? Since I sometimes forget
> how
> > > to
> > > > > use
> > > > > > command line tools, I often turn to whatever's available in the
> GUI
> > > > > world.
> > > > > > For example, there's a great open source (free) SFTP and SCP
> program
> > > > > > called
> > > > > > Fugu that I used for my most recent backup job; it's based on
> the
> > > sftp
> > > > > and
> > > > > > scp commands.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Harold
> > > > > > http://videoharold.com
> > > > > > What were the options
> > > > > > for that command again?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/14/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <supercanadian%40gmail.com><supercanadian%
> 40gmail.com>
> > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com>
> > > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com>
> > > > > <supercanadian%40gmail.com>>
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey Harold,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you're comfortable using command line tools, you could use
> > > "wget"
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > "curl" to backup your site. (Although that would only get
> static
> > > > > files,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > not server side scripts... but if you site is Blogger based,
> then
> > > > that
> > > > > > > shouldn't really be a problem.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See ya
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/14/06, Harold Johnson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <harold.johnson%40gmail.com><harold.johnson%
> 40gmail.com>
> > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>
> > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>
> > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>
> > > > > > > <harold.johnson%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Backup everything first, Gena. Then you won't have to worry
> > > about
> > > > > > > > switching over to the new(er) Blogger. (Yeah, I know -- it's
> > > > easier
> > > > > > > > said than done. I can hardly get myself to backup anything.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Harold
> > > > > > > > http://videoharold.com
> > > > > > > > Backin' it up
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/13/06, Gena <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>
> <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>
> > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>
> > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>
> > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>
> > > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > <compumavengal%40earthlink.net>>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I had problems posting tonight. I had just uploaded a
> bunch of
> > > > > stuff
> > > > > > > > > and got a couple of error messages. I was locked into
> reload
> > > > index
> > > > > > > > > mode for about 10 minutes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've been holding off on switching to the new Blogger. But
> it
> > > > > might
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > time to make the leap. I just don't like doing the first
> > > > > generation
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > new software.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Naw that ain't it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Moving. All that stuff. If I lose something it is gone.
> > > > > > > > > Yeah, not cool but inevitable.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But not today,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For Newbies, additional vlogging help resource
> > > > > > > > > http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
> <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroup
> > > > > s.com>,
> > > > > > > > "missbhavens1969"
> > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I know, I know: you get what you don't pay for.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But it doesn't mean I have to like it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Bekah
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > charles @ reptile.ca
> > > > > > > supercanadian @ gmail.com
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