While there you go people! I hope you're all listening! Distribution is about more than just having a video on the internets. Or having it in RSS.
The future of distribution... and profit! May well lie in these social sites, aggregators, search engines and the key may be creative commons copy left licensces that encourage such actions combined with a little hard work and forgievness in this conversation to establish a little netiquette for such things. Look! If you don't want all the power to go back to big media whom will be lining up to make deals with these middle players and are getting played to... then it's about time you start working a little more progressively with these middle players. The future might just lie in turning these players like MyHeavy into our allies... or in just realizing they ARE on our side... and perhaps forgiving them... and establishing an opt-in relationship and revenue share deal to reach NEW markets... their market... to make a little money on the side without cannibalizing or effecting your direct fans. You string enough of these syndicators and market middle men together that can bring you a bit of exposure and money to audiences you wouldn't reach otherwise and some of you just might start making a living. In fact I day say these middle men may well be an as yet undiscovered key to the future business and industry of the media networks of tomorrow. Looking backward at cable, sattelite and film they were key... and they haven't completely lost their utility yet it would seem. After all the key to the world wide web has ALWAYS been in search... just ask google, yahoo, and every other giant mo-freaking company. Do these middle players NOT fit into that category? Are they not filterers? Are they not a part of searching, finding and discovery? Is that not ESSENTIALLY what social networks are? Directories? Aggregators? I'm not just blowing smoke out my ass here. I truely think that the space between... the bubble up space is in trmendous need. I say that not just as a guy who's invested his time in mefeedia and many other aggregators in this space, but as a designer, an architect, a producer and a developer of web services... there MUST be better infrastructure in netween your blog and the next guys. Think about it this way... the reason youtube is kicking the open vlogosphere's ass in attractive ness is it's the one place you KNOW you can go to find all the latest and greatest videos online. Mefeedia has failed to meet that demand... but who the hell else is trying? And why not? Blogdigger.com/media is the only other place I know to find video and audio in the open vlogosphere. Google has COMPLETELY failed when it comes to video what is in their core mission statement... which is to make the ENTIRE world wide web searchable... in EVERY other arena google lets you search the entire world wide web... news, images, files... but in video all google searches is it's own fucking pool. And if that's all it searches then we're fucked... the road has stopped coming to our front door and we MUST battle our way back there. Yahoo search is the biggest player whom because of media RSS covers the vlogosphere and the world wide web when it comes to video search... but even they have incredibly bastardized and skewed their results toward their own videos... you want your net neutrality... well it isn't just abotu the fucking pipes... it's being swiped from you right under your noses and you don't even seen it. Youtube DOMINATES the web video space because of a failure and a loss for any competing company to successfully launch a search for video that covers the entire web. Ironicly mefeedia I think is the closest to overing the entire web for video, and we only cover about 1.7 million items from the last two years in the vlogging and audio podcasting space. Sadly we haven't had all the time and resorces to make our video search kick ass like it could... sorry... we're stretched really thin, but we're working on it. It's really ashame everyone is so damn obsessed with hosting. I think the real huge untapped potential is in the video search space and noone's doing it well at all. We've got digg video.. we've got dabble... we've got mefeedia... vlogdir... videobomb... fireant... who else is in the search, filter, socialize video space... the pickings are very slim when you consider there's several hundred video hosting sites. How's one to find a video on ALL those sites!? Copyright is partly to blame... google got their ass sued off in image search just for making thumbnails... and for displaying news headlines for google news search. But slowly we are forging a new more copy-left stance to allow middle players in video... and let me tell you middle players that make sense out of the world wide web... that make the freeways and biways that come to your front door are the most important thing in this space... because without this infrastructure... without you embracing these middle players and building opportunities for them AND you to make money... these players like MyHeavy... or Network2.tv....or blogdigger... then the market IS going to go to the biggest walled garden... it is going to swing away from you... Where is this spaces technoratti? Where is it's bloglines? Mefeedia as much as I would like to believe cannot carry all that wait... it just can't... dare I say it's starving for lack of direction and attention that competition brings and I'm sorry I couldn't do more for peter... and for that matter more for fireant and dabble. I'll tell you what... I'm sick of going out and recruiting new videobloggers.. it was damn fun. From now on I'm going to create a new list of aggregators, social networks, middle men... people that make stuff get found... buble it up... directories too.. and I'm going to go recruit those mother fuckers... because I look around... and maybe I am preachign to a bunch of content people that feel powerless to do anything about it... and maybe that's the problem... maybe we need more developers and more techies.... oh! did I mention webjay... them too. So the next time we're all at vloggercon or the vloggies and have the attention of large crowds of people and we're bitching about the paultry numbers of independant vloggers next to the huge amount of youtubers... remember this and scream.... Where is the youtube of the independant videobloggers space!? Where is the technoratti of the independant videoblogging space!? Where are the video search engines that search the entire fucking web? Where are the companies that make sense out of all the videos all over the web... and all the videoblogs and make shit findable and searchable. And realize that where there's shit going down with middle players stealling your videos... or using them improperly... or pointing to them... or playlisting them... or "socializing" them... maybe even though they're totally fucked up... maybe in MyHeavy's space they totally deserve to be sued... but maybe they just need some tough love and for some vloggers to say... Heh MyHeavy... you do great fucking advertising... but you got no content... You know what! We've got great fucking content here but we're not making any money! I smell opportunity! Let's get together and do the same thing yoru doing but make it opt-in.. and decide on a revenue share! What have we got to loose! You're already doing it with our content anyway! And I think you owe us one. Peace out! -Mike -MIke mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com On 1/5/07, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, the big opportunity is to work with distributors to setup > workable arrangements for video distribution. In the Film business, > I've heard several filmmakes say that the biggest problem they have is > distribution. Distributors are probably mainly the filmmaking > gatekeepers for getting financing to make a film, advertising the > feature, where it opens, how many screens and the length of runs. > There's an opportunity to set standards for net distribution and the > relationships that can be formed. > > -- Enric > -======- > http://www.cirne.com > > --- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I think there's an irony in the fact that myheavy.com was making money > > of vloggers videos when most of them aren't making any money > > themselves. > > > > I see opportunity here. Heavy is a broadband website specializing in > > rich media advertising. They obviously have some tremendous > > advertising chops. > > > > I think there's really some opportunity for some opt in revenue share. > > > > What's cool about this is the advertising would only be on your > > content on MyHeavy.com... you'd need to do nothing... it won't affect > > your viewership on your vlog... it's non-exclusive... not affecting > > your relationship with others... it's just added revenue and a chance > > to reach consumers you might not otherwise meet and make a little > > money on the side. > > > > I say great opportunity. > > > > That said... MyHeavy was blatent copyright infringement... sue away if > > you like... but I think the vlogosphere might be better for taking > > this proposal to them. > > > > Maybe Mike Hudack will suggest it when he meets with them > > > > Money flow straight to my favorite vloggers = best thing ever > > > > I'd love to see Human Dog syndicate it's different shows on MyHeavy... > > a great chance to experiment and learn from differnet markets and make > > money. > > > > I'd love to see rocketboom on MyHeavy... maybe some others. > > > > It'd be your choice, you'd have the control. > > > > It makes a hell of a lot more sense than advertising right on Blip, or > > with Revver or Adbrite or any of the others. > > > > Heavy has it's own built in market, a market you otherwise wouldn't be > > reaching anyway. > > > > A great chance to syndicate. BTW... it's a similar way that cable TV > > stations work... but of course they demand exclusivity. > > > > If you wanted to build your own media empire, that's the model I'd be > > looking for. Destination sites that'll let you reach new markets > > without compromising your own, not your direct link to your audience. > > > > At the very least you'll learn something. > > > > I say this... because a lot of you are syndicating your media to > > youtube... but youtube is never going to offer you a revenue kick > > back... after all they're doing the "favor" of hosting your videos now > > they have to make their 1.6 billion to get positive... you think > > anything is going to come your way anytime soon from them? > > > > MyHeavy is opportunity knocking. > > > > Demand opt in, demand a good revnue share, demand tracking and > > numbers. They've got the best advertising setup I've seen. > > > > and/or sue their asses off... it's a great bargaining chip. Look at > > all the major media companies and Youtube. Heah, MyHeavy.com... we > > won't bring a class action suit against you if you help get us paid! > > > > Bargaining chip! > > > > Peace, > > > > -Mike > > mefeedia.com > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > On 1/4/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do we know how much revenue they generated dsirectly from blip & > > > google videos? Do we know how long they had the 'search engine' aspect > > > of their site running before it got pulled down? > > > > > > I support you on one level with what you are suggesting, but there are > > > several hurdles Id think carefully before trying to jump: > > > > > > 1) The company to be taken to court neds to be a serial offender who > > > doesnt shift when there is a verbal web backlash. So far all the major > > > offenders have corrected themselves, have listened, which makes it > > > harder for me to see them as worthy of being made a legal example of. > > > > > > 2) Would any compensation actually even cover legal costs let along > > > build up a slush-fund? > > > > > > 3) Consider the possible legal-precedent setting - could an > > > undesirable outcome ensue where things are locked down? Some people on > > > digg etc seemed to think this stuff would mean the end of the internet > > > as we know it, which I dont agree with, but there is some potential > > > danger of going too far I suppose? Dont want to end up penalising > > > viewers, just commercial leeches. > > > > > > 4) Double-standards. During the network2.tv rant, it became clear that > > > some of the old friendly homegrown services may be getting cut more > > > slack by this group than new 'obviously commercial' services that we > > > rage against. For example Michael Verdi noticed that fireant directory > > > had added some adverts since he opted in, I didnt notice them > > > responding here at all. > > > > > > I suppose at the end of the day I feel any money for legal battles > > > could be better spend elsewhere, technology and blip.tv etc's > > > influence, word of mouth and blogosphere backlash seem to have served > > > the cause well so far. I guess I dont feel like seeing lawyers become > > > another group that gets a load of cash ahead of the video creators! > > > > > > Although Im on the wrong continent I would love to help with some sort > > > of content creators guild that would publicise and discuss these > > > issues, if not go down the legal route. Although theres still a huge > > > lack of detail, things like Baron & Pulvers 'Abbey Corp' seems > > > interesting, but my overriding cynicism means Id probably be more into > > > such things if they were not-for-profit, or indeed a new type of UK > > > company that has emerged in recent years. Listen to this description > > > and ponder if it makes sense... > > > > > > "Community Interest Companies > > > Community Interest Companies (CICS) are limited companies with special > > > additional features created for the use of people who want to conduct > > > a business or other activity for community benefit, and not purely for > > > private advantage. This is achieved by a "community interest test" and > > > "asset lock", which ensure that the CIC is established for community > > > purposes and the assets and profits are dedicated to these > > > purposes.Registration of a company as a CIC has to be approved by the > > > Regulator who also has a continuing monitoring and enforcement role." > > > > > > Wibble! > > > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "schlomo rabinowitz" > > > <schlomo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with you Mike that Litigation is expensive and > difficult, but > > > > honestly, heavy.com can afford to pay for back revenues they have > > > > generated. That's all I want. > > > > > > > > In Web2.0 Land, part of the money-making scheme is having users > > > > populate a site with content to make the site "valuable". We have > > > > brought value to heavy.com and some sort of compensation should be > > > > asked for. > > > > > > > > It's the beginning of the year; perfect time for tipping over large > > > > monuments. Or rattling cages. Or just asserting the fact that > what I > > > > do has some value to these companies. YOU BRING VALUE TO > MULTIPLE WEB > > > > COMPANIES. Time to get paid when someone steps up and takes your > > > > value for granted. > > > > > > > > And then, with this money, maybe we could have a slush fund to help > > > > others. (Though I just want to give my part to blip.tv to pay for > > > > hosting for the last year!:) > > > > > > > > We are ripe for a beautiful lawsuit. One that will take these > > > > companies to task and make a new chapter in the Court of Copyright. > > > > This is trail-blazing stuff that can affect online video makers for > > > > the foreseeable future. > > > > > > > > I'm serious. I haven't had coffee yet, and I'm still ready to sue! > > > > (I hope this doesn't make me sound like a Sue-Happy American, > I'm not > > > > really like that. I just think this is important to lock down.) > > > > > > > > Schlomo > > > > http://schlomolog.blogspot.com > > > > http://hatfactory.net > > > > http://evilvlog.com > > > > > > > > On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack <mike@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Litigation is expensive and difficult. I've been on the phone with > > > > > them, and I'm hopeful that we can resolve this issue with simple > > > > > communication and without the need for lawyers. That said, if > we have > > > > > to, we'll have our attorneys send them a nastygram. We're not > at that > > > > > point yet, though. Soon, maybe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
