I like this idea too, Sull. Perhaps all of my free stuff could be part of the whole that would need to be tied into the paid version to have the real nuts in bolts. Make 'em pay for the punchline, or the trick to the trick. You could get the flavor, but not the meal, so to speak.
I also like the idea of the tube points concept. We are talking about small chunks of money. Like buying a piece of candy, or a candy bar. The problem seems to be the lack of a give a penny, take a penny tray and change purse. How can we enable an internet media changepurse for viewers and a change tray for content creators? I guess a videoblogger's guild or union could do something like that. We surely have the talent pool within the population to make that happen. What fringe benefits could be added to entice viewers to pay for some content? Maybe it's sulls 'super episodes' or the 'punchlines' for free. Could that be something that would get viewers to invest in internet media? I don't know. There have got to be a ton of things we could come up with. Anyone else here know the concept of 'Po'? Cheers, Ron Watson Pawsitive Vybe 11659 Berrigan Ave Cedar Springs, MI 49319 http://pawsitivevybe.com Personal Contact: 616.802.8923 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:41 PM, sull wrote: > I am also a believer in mixing both paid and free content. > For example, every month you out a video that requires a payment... > maybe > it's $5. > It obviously helps if this video is somewhat different than your > regular > shows. > What the difference is would be up to you, the producers. > But it could be a good way to ask for financial support while still > giving > the audience most of your content for free. With some marketing > finesse, > you could work to increase the amount of purchases over time ;-) > If re-distribution of this paid content hinders, you could use DRM > or other > techniques to defend against it. > Hey, it's only one video so you wouldnt be evil :) > > i think it's time now for us - as producers - to figure out how to use > > aggregation to our benefit, not just to the offical aggregators' > > benefit. > > > > Yes, please let's keep the discussion going... here or on the other > list... > anywhere. I just want to keep the topic moving forward. > > sull > > On 1/29/07, Roxanne Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > i'd prefer to make payments over viewing ads often too but when I > > surveyed my audience the answer was overwhelming: we'll take ads, we > > don't want to pay; it's too good it should be free so anyone can see > > it. i didn't offer the choice of two feeds (free with ads or no ads > > for fee) > > > > I went ahead and enabled $2 a month optional subscriptions (we do a > > show every single day so that is less than 7 cents an episode. We > have > > 2 paid subscribers out of several thousand downloads a day. And a > very > > loyal audience. So now we are going after ads. > > > > i think it's time now for us - as producers - to figure out how > to use > > aggregation to our benefit, not just to the offical aggregators' > > benefit. > > > > r > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <steve% > 40dvmachine.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking only as a viewer, Id like to be able to make > micropayments > > > without thinking about it when watching content. > > > > > > Its hard to get people to pay if there is a lot of simialr > stuff out > > > there for free, but my personal hatred of adverts means Id > gladly pay > > > to avoid them. > > > > > > Say for example once Youtube goes ahead with pre-roll adverts, Id > > > rather give youtube $10 which would buy me 100 tubepoints, > which are > > > then used every time I watch a video ad-free. > > > > > > From a creators point of view, its easy to get into a trap > where the > > > 'problem' becomes seen as being other creators giving stuff > away for > > > free and therefore devaluing the wages of other creators. Some > VJs on > > > a forum I help run get a bit angry with other VJs who work for > free to > > > get started, because they believe it gives the clubs a large > base of > > > people willing to work for free, and so less likely to pay them. > > > > > > How small does a payment need to be to be classed as a > micropayment? > > > Ive got an XBOX360 which has a marketplace that works on the > basis of > > > buying points with a credit card, and then these points are > used for > > > buying various things online through the 360, but the amounts > in money > > > terms arent that low. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For sure, the internet has trained *consumers* not to pay for > much of > > > > anything online. > > > > > > > > However, what we are discussing here is a business to business > > > > transaction, and perhaps there is tipping point potential. > Business > > > > is used to paying for products and services. Many of the > original > > > > content producers in the video space do not have the huge > audience > > > > size to garner a seat at the table. > > > > > > > > But there is micro-value in the aggregation. A micropayment > system for > > > > "b2b" begins to make more sense in the marketplace. It is the > > > > responsibility of we the producers though to train the > marketplace to > > > > pay us, rather than expect payment if we keep delivering for > free. > > > > > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Melissa Gira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And in the last few weeks, the one micropayment service I > actually > > > > > used and got something good out of, Bitpass, closed shop > with little > > > > > notice. > > > > > > > > > > Bitpass ran the payment end for Mperia.com, which I had > used in late > > > > > 2004/early 2005 to sell spoken word mp3s, which served as a > sort of > > > > > gateway drug into podcasting. When I could get a much larger > > > > > audience out of podcasting, I stopped putting new work up > at Mperia > > > > > -- which had as much to do about the community coming up > around > > > > > podcasting as it did the shortcomings of Mperia. > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Gira > > > > > Sexerati: Smart Sex > > > > > The Future of Sex: Video Podcast > > > > > sexerati.com > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Mike Hudack wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, micropayments, that favorite topic of mine! Way back > when, > > long > > > > > > before blip, I tried to build a micropayments service > with a few > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > folks now at blip. The challenges we saw then are the same > > > challenges > > > > > > we see now: in order to do micropayments effectively you > need a > > > system > > > > > > to pool transactions, and to do this you need a compelling > > > > > > collection of > > > > > > content from a compelling collection of providers. At the > end > > > of the > > > > > > day building a real micropayments system is really about > network > > > > > > building. No one's managed to do this well. > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> From:[email protected]<videoblogging% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > >> [mailto:[email protected]<videoblogging% > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Ron Watson > > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:00 AM > > > > > >> To:[email protected]<videoblogging% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and > > > > > >> aggregators in general > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I was just thinking of micro-payments. Any info out > there on > > > > > >> the topic, or can we have a conversation. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > >> Ron Watson > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Pawsitive Vybe > > > > > >> 11659 Berrigan Ave > > > > > >> Cedar Springs, MI 49319 > > > > > >> http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Personal Contact: > > > > > >> 616.802.8923 > > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On the Web: > > > > > >> http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > > >> http://k9disc.com > > > > > >> http://k9disc.blip.tv > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, johnleeke wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn > business > > > > > >>> diplomacy from Mike. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and > > > > > >> morality of the > > > > > >>> issue, "opt out" simply empowers the illegal and immoral > > > actions of > > > > > >>> these secondary agrigators and distributors of our > content. > > > > > >> They want > > > > > >>> and take our content because it has a higher value that > > > > > >> what they have > > > > > >>> to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based > > > > > >> on paying > > > > > >>> absolutely nothing for the content is the problem. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> "We cannot afford it" sounds pretty lame when they have > > > > > >> million dollar > > > > > >>> budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to > the "micro > > > > > >>> payment" idea? Wern't computers supposed to make "micro > > payments" > > > > > >>> practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying, > > > > > >> then pay what > > > > > >>> they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has > done it > > > > > >> so we know > > > > > >>> it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with > > > > > >> the content > > > > > >>> makers, then they don't take the content. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from > > > > > >> our Mommies > > > > > >>> by the time we were ten: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> "If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it." > > > > > >>> > > > > -- > > > > Roxanne Darling > > > > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > > > > 808-384-5554 > > > > > > > > http://www.beachwalks.tv > > > > http://www.barefeetshop.com > > > > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > > > > http://www.inthetransition.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roxanne Darling > > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > > 808-384-5554 > > > > http://www.beachwalks.tv > > http://www.barefeetshop.com > > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > > http://www.inthetransition.com > > > > > > > > -- > Sull > http://vlogdir.com (a project) > http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
