Hi Daryl,
I know this conversation has kind of gotten far afield of the original
question, but most of it is relevant to some degree or another.  As a
content creator, I prefer Flash .flv because of the additional
flexibility it gives me in using so many other services that support
flash video.  But as a consumer of video online, I just want what I
want, when I want it, without hassle.  So, knowing that this is the
attitude of everyone who encounters my content, I do try to provide
multiple formats so that I can capture as many new people as possible.
 BUt among the formats I offer for my vlog through blip.tv (which will
host the original version, as well as a flash version, if you set it
to) I usually upload an mp4, and ALWAYS have them transcode it and
offer the .flv as well.  Blip.tv will cross-post to my vlog, and they
use a flash player (swf) to play my video (.flv) so it is pretty
no-hassle.  Unless you have people, like Rupert mentioned, who are
hesitant to update Flash Player on their computers...Mom, are you
reading this???

Carter
http://crowdabout.us




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Daryl,
> 
> Some other people like will give you different and probably better  
> answers about why people use anything other than Flash, and views  
> about quality/downloadability versus streaming, etc.
> 
> I'll stick to the Flash version / compatibility thing because I  
> happen to have the numbers to hand.
> 
> It's true that most people have *A* version of Flash - but it's a  
> question of what version and how techie your audience are.
> 
> Adobe say 98% of computers have Flash player.
> 
> Something like 90-95% worldwide have Flash 7, which is what YouTube  
> plays on, but it uses an old compression format and isn't very good  
> quality.  So a lot of people might like to provide a higher quality  
> (say Quicktime) alternative if streaming with Flash 7.
> 
> Flash 8 and the new Flash 9 offer *much* better quality, but far  
> fewer people in the general population have them.  Flash 9 has only  
> 56% penetration in 'Mature Markets' (rich countries).  That's less  
> than Quicktime or Windows Media Player or even Real.
> See:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/ 
> version_penetration.html
> and http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/
> (These are optimistic, and I think they've made a mistake in their  
> Emerging Markets Flash 9 figure)
> 
> To use a Blip.tv video, a lot of people will have to download an  
> updated player - and even though it's only a couple of meg, it's too  
> much for many non techie people.  I'm amazed how many of my family  
> and friends (in their 30s!) call me up and say "It tells me I need  
> Flash 9 player, so I couldn't see it." or "You'll have to install it  
> next time you're round".  The phone call has involved more time and  
> effort than clicking the link to install Flash 9, but they don't know  
> that.  They're used to clicking a YouTube link and seeing the video,  
> no effort.
> 
> Giving all the formats means you widen the options for your  
> audience.   Just one reason to do this is so that they can set an  
> aggregator such as iTunes to download high quality QT files and use  
> them in things like iPods.  I watch most vlogs on an iPod at the  
> moment, travelling between clients on the tube and bus.  (No doubt  
> I'll soon get mugged.)  It's possible to convert a flv file to iPod  
> and transfer it, but too much hassle.  This way, they just come in  
> automatically.
> 
> By using a program like VisualHub, you can do multiple format  
> conversions, upload them to Blip (who let you upload multiple  
> versions) and give your audience the choice.  Then, if you see some  
> formats are not getting enough hits to justify the effort, stop  
> providing them.
> 
> Rupert
> 
> Rupert
> http://www.fatgirlinohio.org
> http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/
> 
> 
> On 15 Mar 2007, at 13:19, Daryl Urig wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all of your responces since I originally posted this  
> question.
> 
> I guess my real question was why not use flash to publish a video  
> using a .swf file?
> 
> I thought 80 - 90% of the computers had the flash plug in in their  
> browser to play a swf
> file. Would this not be easier than having to save your video file in  
> so many different
> versions so everyone can play what you post, in one post?
> 
> Daryl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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