I'll be a contrarian here. We are developers and depending on what
requirements you have, $15K is not at all expensive. A person may be
able to set up a site in a day or two, but that is on the base code
and server config. Are you also requiring custom design? That adds a
few grand easily. And then customizing the design to the CMS? Another
day or two is reasonable as these CMS you mentioned are not that easy
to personalize outside of the built-in functions. Are you going to
need training and support? Then add more time to develop a user
manual.  Most clients we work with would not be able to go to a
message board for a CMS and get their questions answered.

Hoe many user groups aka permission groups will be required? Each
person can only belong to one group and it takes some serious planning
sometimes to map that

How much consultation will be required to develop your specifications?
 There are literally hundreds of options and questions that arise in
development where the client gets to choose between A and B. Or wants
C, when it doesn't exist until the developer writes some new code.
This could easily be several days of time, involving a project manager
and a programmer plus the people on the client side - who will require
time to make their decisions, once armed with information.

How much security do you need? Joomla in particular is known as being
very hackable and if your users/content are important, then this is a
CMS that will need expert installation and monitoring.

If it is your own site, and you are the only ones who will be in there
for the most part, then the requirements are simpler. But when
developing a commercial site for multiple users, you have many more
considerations and you want a professional on your side IMO. If you
have the luxury of time, you could try to do a test install and see
what limitations you run into it. But you run the risk of having to
throw all that work away if you quickly run into limitations.  Better
we think to find a developer who can tell you what the best CMS will
be after spending some consult time with you to determine your "must
have" and "want to have" requirements.

I hope you find this helpful, and congrats to you for doing your
research. That makes you several steps ahead of the typical client!

Aloha,

Rox

On 5/21/07, Stan Hirson,  Sarah Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In [email protected], "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
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>  > It can get quite confusing. Not exactly comparing like for like,
>  > although the end results may be the same.
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>  I think Steve has given an excellent response to the question.
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>  I am not a programmer or developer and came at this as a documentary
>  film maker who needed something a bit more flexible than blogging
>  software. I chose Joomla. If you want to see how I integrated the
>  text and video, you can visit http://hestakaup.com. You can do a lot
>  in Joomla without writing code and it is very easy to maintain. I run
>  it on Dreamhost.
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>  Best,
>
>  Stan Hirson
>  http://hestakaup.com
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