I really like and respect you too Robert - you and Irina in my experience with PodTech can be counted on to respond, to engage, to get things done.
What I find confusing is how long this has gone on, for such a small amount of money, on such a very simple issue. And why the CEO is the one tasked to be dealing with it? There were several "squirelly" issues around the Vloggies, that PodTech probably does not want revisited here as Vloggies 07 is well under way. It would have been a massive accomplishment to pull off an event of that size, in such incredibly short time, and actually break even much less make money on it. To infer all sorts of legal complications only confuses things, and keeps PodTech in the one down position publicly speaking. I think your point about the Vloggies being cash-negative might be relevant internally but came across just plain silly to me here on this list. I sure hope you all can work things out soon. Aloha, Rox On 6/28/07, Eric Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's a transparent world. Someone gets pissed off and talks about it > and the customers, the market, the conversation, will rage on...the > Cluetrain taught us that. Naked Conversations taught us something similar. > > Lack of communication and transparency in public is the fastest way > for MORE noise to be made. Because the people can move faster than any > PR dept. It's blogging 101 I suppose. > > ER > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Although I could be wrong about the professional aspect and it is > > better/legally necessary to keep such discussions private, I suppose, > > like Scoble said. Its just frustrating to be presented with one side > > of a story and not to be able to find out if its being sorted amicably > > or the devilish details. > > > > The thing about losing a ton of money on the vloggies definately winds > > me up. Surely the event itself wasnt supposed to create cash. Surely > > the reasons for putting money into it are part of business plans, the > > money spent in the name of publicity. The same reason seagate would > > pay you to advertise with you, or give away freebies for a > > competition. The business of podtech is to sell an audience to > > advertisers, at the end of the day, and so I dont buy into any > > arguments that its doing a great service for vloggers out of the > > goodness of its own heart. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <steve@> wrote: > > > > > > Heh maybe not Curry in this case, as he's the one who took a magazine > > > to court for using a creative commons-licensed photo of his without > > > permission. > > > > > > I am totally amazed podtech havent attempted to present their case, or > > > a part of it, in public. Really crappy and unprofessional, I dont know > > > what excuse you have, but going on about how much good you do for > > > vloggers is no defense, its wound me up the wrong way (easily done, it > > > has to be said). > > > > > > Shame, shame, and how come you guys dont seem to have any? > > > > > > Steve Elbows > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <eric@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect this kinda of nonsense from the Adam Curry/Podshow > crowd, not > > > > from Podtech. > > > > > > > > Creative Commons licenses MUST be enforced. There is no > 'wellllll, yes > > > > but...' about it. > > > > > > > > ER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz" > > > > <schlomo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oh my, Robert, you are not guilting this list with this are you? > > > > > > > > > > It's a business; if you didnt see some sort of value in paying > these > > > > content > > > > > providers, you guys wouldn't pay them! Don't turn it into > altruism. > > > > Same > > > > > with the Vloggies; if there wasn't some buzz for Podtech created > > > > around the > > > > > Vloggies, you guys wouldn't have done it. The fact that you folks > > > > "lost a > > > > > ton of money" is probably from bad planning and budgeting more > than > > > > anything > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > I like you Robert, but your point here just hit me the wrong way. > > > It's > > > > > smarmy and misguided. > > > > > > > > > > Do you blame Lan that Podtech burned through millions of dollars? > > > > Should we > > > > > blame him for the Middle East conflict as well? > > > > > > > > > > You know how these things play out: Someone at Podtech screwed up > > > with > > > > > using the photo without permission, so company should pay for it > > > > somehow. > > > > > Call it the "Oops, I Screwed Up Tax". You either pay in the court > > > > of Public > > > > > Opinion, or you just quietly pay Lan his due. At the end of the > > > > day, it's > > > > > typical business! You know that. > > > > > > > > > > Schlomo > > > > > http://schlomolog.blogspot.com > > > > > http://weknowhow.tv > > > > > http://winkshow.com > > > > > http://hatfactory.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/28/07, Robert Scoble <robertscoble@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In our defense, we're paying tons of content providers all over > > > > the world > > > > > > and we lost a TON of money on Vloggies. We invested in the > > > > community and > > > > > > now > > > > > > are negotiating with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Lan Bui > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:31 AM > > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Hey PodTech - What's up with Lan's > > > image? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to be patient. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe while I wait for them I can read Naked Conversations, > > the back > > > > > > cover alone has very interesting ideas on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Lan > > > > > > www.LanBui.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael Verdi" > > > > > > <michaelverdi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any word on this yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd love to hear PodTech say, "yes, we made a mistake and are > > > > working > > > > > > > on fixing it" or "we didn't do anything wrong and here's > why" or > > > > > > > something at all. They've been pretty quiet about the whole > > thing. > > > > > > > Which seems odd as I look up from what I'm typing and notice > > > my copy > > > > > > > of Naked Conversations on the bookshelf not 12 inches away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Verdi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Roxanne Darling "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com
