--- In [email protected], "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cheryl, it is fine that you have other issues with me, us or the > manifesto, but I would like it if you could take a moment to reflect on > what my issue is before jumping on to other things. First off Brittany > doesn't participate in this group - she quit it before you started > videoblogging. That is most likely the same reason why you have received > any promotional materials or encouragement from her. I was on Twitter back > when the lumieres started and I used that to promote the project. Brittany > has pushed it in other circles. As I held your hand when you started she > held others. You have read the manifesto: how could you think that we > would write a manifesto together if we were not both working on the > project? Is it surprising that I reacted? Would you not like it if those > you work with make sure that you receive credit for what you do?
You didn't "hold my hand." You were friendly and encouraging. Not at all how you behaved toward Rox. > > That is my one issue: Give credit where credit is due. It takes no effort > at all to look up a name, but it means everything to that person. You > would not feel very good if you never received any acknowledgement for the > work you've done on Show in a Box to grab one example. That is why I see a > "bio" page coming on the SIAB website - so others know how to acknowledge. Actually, the bio page is there so that people can see who to ask for help, or who to hire if they need help beyond the scope of the email list. And, I don't do what I do for credit, and I don't care if someone mentions Show in a Box without mentioning my name. I work on it because I want to help people. > a Is it not a fair request to receive proper > acknowledgement for the work you do? Of course it's fair. But you don't need to do it in a negative way. You could do it in a way that's positive for everyone involved. > I can't and won't take full credit > for the lumiere project and that's why I had to write back in the way I > did. You didn't "have" to write back the way you did. You chose to. You could have chosen to say, hey Rox, it's great you made a lumiere, and by the way Brittany developed this alongside me, here's the link, when you mention it in the future we'd appreciate dual credit. >If you feel attacked by the manifesto, that's a good thing, > you should. I feel attacked by it and I co-wrote it! It is unfortunate > that you did not go anywhere with your frustrations - the goal was to make > you reflect on your practices rather than sit with a stiff upper lip and > not react because you don't agree. I don't feel attacked by it. I just don't agree with it. I reflect on my practices all the time. I don't need the false constructs of a manifesto to get me to be reflective. Go somewhere with my frustrations? In my assessment, it wasn't even worth my time. > I personally don't have much patience with constant backpatting. Except when it comes to yourself and Brittany apparently. > It > is my responsibility and your responsibility to challenge the status quo. Been there, done that, pissed off EpicFU. > It is curious to me that the comments stating strong disagreement with the > manifesto (in the "I don't want to participate anymore because the > manifesto is criticizing things I like" kind of way) have all happened on > Twitter. They are spoken into a void using fragmented sentence in a room > where it is impossible to carry a conversation (because all arguments are > limited and each one is forgotten in a microsecond as it moves off the > page). I disagree - I've had great conversations on Twitter that lasted an hour or more and then influenced my thought and actions long afterward. > Regarding insults: > I cannot choose not to be insulted when I read Rox's mail, just as you > cannot choose not to be insulted when you read the lumiere manifesto. Of course you can. Of course I can, and did. I didn't get insulted by it. You and Brittany have every right to write manifestos. I read yours and dismissed it as irrelevant to me personally, and I moved on. >Our > actions have consequences and this time I chose to act on the consequence > Rox's mail had on me. You chose not to react on the consequence the > manifesto has on you (though I wish you had). I ceased participation. That IS my reaction. Sorry I couldn't accommodate you by getting more hot and bothered, but that just doesn't interest me. > PS. If you want to have your videos removed simply delete them from your > website. We don't host any videos at all. We link to everything so you are > 100% in control. I'm always sorry to see links go dead of course, but it's > not my choice. Delete part of my body of work from my own website? Just because YOU linked to my videos without asking if I wanted you to? I think not. I haven't asked my videos be removed and don't intend to. I participated in making lumieres for a short time and have no reason to hide it. But after the manifesto, I want nothing more to do with it. Cheryl
