Thank you for clarifying, Peter. Sorry to have jumped to conclusions, but anytime a "license" is attached to a purchase order or physical item, our minds wander. :) mb
Michael Brewer Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Library [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Cohn Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Videolib] New Day clarified DVD invoice with "lease" in the description To find out why our invoices state "lease for life of disc," I circulated a note among our film maker members. Some who have been around for a while reported that this language dates back to the days of VHS. The intent is to make it clear that the ownership of the material lasts only as long as the physical medium lasts. It's not something that most of us New Day film makers have spent a lot of time thinking about -- there's no nefarious or complex reason for the language. Our policy is to replace DVDs that wear out for half price, although I'm sure some film makers would do it for less. Peter Cohn New Day/Hillcrest Films On 5/13/2010 4:53 PM, Brewer, Michael wrote: You may be right, Jessica. 108 talks about things in library collections, but not ownership. Perhaps this is because some special collections materials may be on loan or not really owned by them, just housed there. mb Michael Brewer Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Library [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:27 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Videolib] DVD invoice with "lease" in the description Well 108 would not be in effect so long as the title remained in print with or without the language. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Brewer, Michael <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I am not so sure. Because it is not defined, I don't know how enforceable it is, but "lease" implies that this disc does not belong to the library, but is just sort of on loan until it is lost, stolen, worn out, whatever. As such, they could set the terms of use, since first sale would, technically, not be in effect. They have not set any particular terms, but they could. 108, as Jessica notes, would also not be in effect, since the disc was never "owned" by the library. I think this is pretty screwy. If they put this kind of wording on an invoice, they should at least tell you how you are to understand it so that you have some ability to either refuse, or modify your use of the title in accordance with their terms. mb Michael Brewer Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Library [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:53 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Videolib] DVD invoice with "lease" in the description I don't see any restriction beyond a subtle reminder that you can't make a copy. I think the language is only protecting the seller from the buyer making a copy should the sale copy become damaged/ lost. It certainly would not restrict your ability to check out the film or even sell it. Jessica On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Deborah Thompson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hello everyone. I am new to the list, so my apologies if you have discussed this question recently. We have recently ordered three DVDs from New Day Films. They have arrived with an invoice that reads "Lease for the life of the disc". Would accepting this language negate our rights under the 1st Sale Doctrine to check out the DVDs and perhaps later sell them in our used book sale? TIA for your insight, Deborah **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. 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