Is the difference in quality? ______________________________ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 434-924-3812
On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:10 PM, "Jessica Rosner" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: However there is a difference between the $5-$15 copies of classic but PD silent films and the more expensive but better versions. I hope you carry both. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Music Hunter <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Quite correct, however they all cost less when they're ordered from Music Hunter as compared to other vendors. Music Hunter is very proud of our budget stretching prices. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Rosner<mailto:[email protected]> To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score? I know. I didn't say otherwise but since it was implied when I said "legit" version I corrected it. However keep in mind with silent films that while there are often multiple version which are all legit, some are much better quality than others and they nearly always cost more. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Music Hunter <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs. Jay Sonin, General Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Rosner<mailto:[email protected]> To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score? PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Kim, One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid. Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not believe it contains the score though. We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as soon as they respond. Sincerely at your service, Jay Sonin, General Manager The Kid (Full Frame, Black & White) Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom Wilson Release Date: 4/22/2008 UPC: 882012000274 Director: Charles Chaplin Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick Run Time: 67 Flags: Excellent For Children Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027 Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated in their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the child welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence, Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame First National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he wrote, directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an critically hailed international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major child star. With a blend of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy, Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark one of his greatest features, City Lights (1931). The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production in which Chaplin merely co-starred. The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover, carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine, with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfits his flat for the baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a nipple on the spout as a baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as a potty seat. Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he had shared with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood is a recreation of the ones he knew as a boy. Five years later, Chaplin has become a glazier, while his adopted son (the remarkable Jackie Coogan) drums up business for his old man by cheerfully breaking windows in the neighborhood. Purviance meanwhile has become a world famous opera singer, still haunted by the memory of her child, who does charity work in the very slums in which he now lives. Ironically, she gives a toy dog to little Coogan. Chaplin and Coogan's close calls with the law and fights with street toughs are easily overcome, but when Coogan falls ill, the attending doctor learns of the illegal adoption and summons the Orphan Asylum social workers who try to separate Chaplin from his foster son. In one of the most moving scenes in all of Chaplin's films, Chaplin and Coogan try to fight the officials, but Chaplin is subdued by the cop they have summoned. Coogan is roughly thrown into the back of the Asylum van, pleading to the welfare official and to God not to be separated from his father. Chaplin, freeing himself from the cop, pursues the orphanage van over the rooftops and, descending into the back of the truck, dispatches the official and tearfully reunites with his "son". Returning to check on the sick boy, Purviance encounters the doctor and is shown the note which she had attached to her baby five years earlier. Chaplin and Coogan, not daring to return home, settle in a flophouse for the night. The proprietor sees a newspaper ad offering a reward for Coogan's return and kidnaps the sleeping boy. After hunting fruitlessly, a grieving Chaplin falls asleep on his tenement doorstep and dreams that he has been reunited with the boy in Heaven (that "flirtatious angel" is Lita Grey, later Chaplin's second wife). Woken from his dream by the cop, he is taken via limousine to Purviance's mansion where he is welcomed by Coogan and Purviance, presumably to stay. Chaplin had difficulties getting The Kid produced. His inspiration, it is suggested was the death of his own first son, Norman Spencer Chaplin a few days after birth in 1919. His determination to make a serio-comic feature was challenged by First National who preferred two reel films, which were more quickly produced and released. Chaplin wisely gained his distributors' approval by inviting them to the studio, where he trotted out the delightful Coogan to entertain them. Chaplin's divorce case from his first wife Mildred Harris also played a part; fearing seizure of the negatives Chaplin and crew escaped to Salt Lake City and later to New York to complete the editing of the film. Chaplin's excellent and moving score for The Kid was composed in 1971 for a theatrical re-release, but used themes that Chaplin had composed in 1921. Chaplin re-edited the film somewhat for the re-release, cutting scenes that he felt were overly sentimental, such as Purviance's observing of a May-December wedding and her portrayal as a saint, outlined by a church's stained glass window. Charles Chaplin - The Tramp Jackie Coogan - The Kid Edna Purviance - Mother Carl Miller - Artist Tom Wilson - Policeman Albert Austin - Man in Shelter Henry Berman - Lodging House Proprietor Raymond Lee - His Kid Brother Charles "Chuck" Riesner - The Bully Robert Dunbar - Bridegroom Jack Coogan, Sr. - Guest Jack Coogan, Sr. - Pickpocket Beulah Bains - Bride John McKinnon - Chief of Police Edgar Sherrod - Priest Rupert Franklin - Bride's Father Lita Grey - Flirting Angel Jules Hanft - Physician Walter Lynch - Tough cop Phyllis Allen - A Woman Nellie Bly Baker - Slum Nurse Henry Bergman - Night Shelter Keeper Kitty Bradbury - Bride's Mother Frank Campeau - Welfare Officer Esther Ralston - N/A Directors Charles Chaplin Producers Charles Chaplin Composer Charles Chaplin Screenwriter Charles Chaplin Others Eric James - Additional Music Roland H. "Rollie" Totheroh - Cinematographer Jack Wilson - Cinematographer Charles Hall - Production Designer ----- Original Message ----- From: Stanton, Kim To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score? Hi all, I'm looking for a DVD copy of The Kid (1921) with the score (1971 reissue of the film). Can anyone who owns it confirm that Warner's Chaplin Collection version includes the score? Or is there another source? <http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1>http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1 Thank you! Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. ________________________________ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. ________________________________ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. 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