We are also a distributor -- of our own arts documentaries -- that does not have a tiered pricing system. Our $50 per DVD price specifically allows "classroom use." Despite that liberal policy (seems liberal to me) we get requests all the time for the right to store the content for campus-wide distribution in perpetuity, and lately we have been getting requests for the right to buy one and then distribute it in interlibrary loan. (I assume it's only a half- step to inter-library loan by digital transmission. Push a button and save the receiving library the cost of a DVD of its own.)
Do academic users not see that this process will lead to fewer and fewer new documentaries, as producers see that they cannot count on much income from the intended audience? This is particularly true when it comes to niche films, films that aim for a better educated audience, and films unlikely to get onto television. Subtly, the pressure to achieve a better bottom line leads to simplifying content. If "the love of money is the root of all evil" maybe the "love of saving money" is the root of dumbing down the audio-visual material on which so much teaching is increasingly dependent. Stephan Chodorov Creative Arts Television www.catarchive.com On Jan 3, 2011, at 5:10 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/ > [email protected] > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [Videonews] Here we go again... (Richard Hawksworth) > 2. Quick Question re: Cataloging Media Sets (Meghann Matwichuk) > 3. Re: [Videonews] Here we go again... (Bob Norris) > 4. Re: ARL report: "Fair Use Challenges in Academic and Research > Libraries" now available (jwoo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:15:40 -0600 > From: Richard Hawksworth <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] [Videonews] Here we go again... > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > From the POV of a producer/distributor, I'd don't think its > unreasonable at all to expect an institution to pay a much higher > price than an individual. For me, the cost of the physical DVD is next > to nothing - I'm selling the intellectual content that's encoded on > the disk. If a home viewer buys a DVD, my expectation is that s/he > will view it once or twice. On the other hand, if a school or library > buys it, the potential use is exponential. > > I've tried tiered pricing, with the institutional price set at about > 3x that of the home viewing version. Despite Terms of Use statements, > disclaimers, etc. everyone opts for the "home viewing" option. If I'm > not willing or able to enforce the policy, I don't have any choice but > to offer single-tier only pricing. > > Rich Hawksworth > Media Rich Learning > > > > On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:49 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Some distributors charge higher prices to institutions >> because...well, >> because they feel they can get the $$$ out of them. > > Rich Hawksworth > Media Rich Learning > [email protected] > > My Website: www.mediarichlearning.com > Call Me: 773-909-7142 | Fax Me: 773-913-6151 > Skype: mediarichlearning | Source Connect: mediarich > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:36:16 -0500 > From: Meghann Matwichuk <[email protected]> > Subject: [Videolib] Quick Question re: Cataloging Media Sets > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello All, and happy 2011! A quick, one-question survey for you > all as > you begin packing for ALA in sunny San Diego: > > I am curious to know what your general approach is to cataloging > movies > which are packaged in sets, such as the Criterion Eclipse Series; for > example, The First Films of Samuel Fuller, which contains three > individual films. Would you catalog this as: > > A) One record with three parts, e.g. The First Films of Samuel Fuller > (set, parts 1-3) > > or > > B) Three individual records, e.g. The Steel Helmet, The Baron of > Arizona, and I Shot Jesse James? > > If you have an extra second and could let me know what kind of library > you represent (academic / public / etc.), I'd appreciate it. > > Cheers, > > ************************* > Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. > Associate Librarian > Instructional Media Collection Department > Morris Library, University of Delaware > 181 S. College Ave. > Newark, DE 19717 > (302) 831-1475 > http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:57:33 -0600 > From: Bob Norris <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] [Videonews] Here we go again... > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Wouldn't it be legal for a professor to purchase a DVD with home > video rights, even though institutional pricing is listed too, and > then sell the DVD to the university under the first-sale-doctrine? > The DVD retains the original home video rights granted but the > professor could use the DVD in the classroom under the face-to-face > exemption assuming it was a nonprofit university and content > directly relates to what is being taught. Chris is not looking for > PPR anyway. > > This coming from a distributor that does not have tiered pricing. > Bob > > Robert A. Norris > Managing Director > Film Ideas, Inc. > 308 North Wolf Road > Wheeling, IL 60090 > Phone: (847) 419-0255 > Fax: (847) 419-8933 > Email: [email protected] > Web: www.filmideas.com > www.FIChannels.com > > Please print responsibly. >> From: [email protected] >> Date: January 3, 2011 2:49:15 PM CST >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] [Videonews] Here we go again... >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> >> >> Well, Judy...it sucks, put it isn't illegal, as far as I'm aware. >> >> There continues to be a fair amount of confusion about the >> PPR/institutional pricing gambit... Here's the deal: >> >> Some distributors charge higher prices to institutions (or others) >> because >> they bundle items in their catalogs with PPR. In some cases, the >> same >> titles may also be available without PPR on the home video market >> (however, rarely are titles offered without PPR via the >> distributor's web >> site). >> >> Some distributors charge higher prices to institutions >> because...well, >> because they feel they can get the $$$ out of them. Some of these >> folks >> confuse things by contending that PPR are required for ALL >> institutional >> uses (including classroom use)--a false contention, of course. >> >> The bottom line is, vendors can charge whatever it wants, at whatever >> price, to whomever they want, and under whichever conditions of >> use it >> wishes: the transaction is commercial and contractual. Hell, >> they can >> charge higher prices to hazel-eyed, red-haired users if they want... >> >> Now, that said: If a vendor chooses to put its wares into home video >> distribution, they really have no say about who buys--particularly >> if the >> fulfillment is by a third party such as amazon. We have had >> instances >> here in which we've attempted to score home video stuff via >> amazon, only >> to be informed that, as an institution, we have to pay more (in these >> cases, fulfillment is via the vendor). Can't do much about it. >> >> gary handman > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:10:21 -0800 > From: jwoo <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] ARL report: "Fair Use Challenges in Academic > and Research Libraries" now available > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Note this excerpt on p.9 (by interviewees they mean librarians; > emphasis is mine) > > Interviewees often displayed an intriguingly anomalous bias in favor > of vendors of > specialty video material, including documentaries and films made > specifically for the > educational sector. While interviewees were generally respectful of > vendors to the > educational sector, specialty video distributors were sometimes given > a special place > and positioned as surrogates for the independent filmmakers whose > films they make > available. Those interviewees who displayed this attitude described > applying fair use > charily to this material, suddenly emphasizing the fourth factor? > effect on the market? > as the most important. They repeated with some conviction the vendors? > arguments > that if libraries take advantage of fair use rather than pay > distributors for each new use > or format, specialty filmmakers (and by extension their specialty > films) may cease to > exist. By taking responsibility for the continued profitability of > vendor business models, > interviewees had, in effect, adopted vendors as one of the > constituencies that they serve. > > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Jeanette Mosey wrote: > >> http://www.arl.org/news/pr/fairusereport_20dec10.shtml >> >> >> -- Jeanette Mosey >> retired librarian and lurker on Videolib >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It >> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for >> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > End of videolib Digest, Vol 38, Issue 4 > *************************************** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
