Gary, I meant sad in the sense that distributors have used such misleading language. I know I have a reputation for reaming libraries (well really more academics and the administrations that support them) it certainly has never helped to have this kind of widespread confusion. As I have noted more than once very sincere people, especially filmmakers actually believe there is some kind of legal category of "educational:" that requires and institution to pay an extra fee for using a film in a class.
However if you will excuse the phrase this is going to become largely academic as the issue of streaming or digitally making available in a format not approved by the rights holder OUTSIDE of the physical classroom becomes the dominant discussion. I actually thought at first this would be a good thing, that distributors could sell something of value to justify a higher price and the institution would get a much broader use of its collection. I just did not figure on so many academic institutions deciding they did not need no stinking rights to do this. It is sad all round to me. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Not sad at all, Jessica... > > As you yourself have said (endlessly and to the point of making my head > explode), not all librarians are media librarians and not all librarians > have a knowledge or clue about these kinda things. This is a paper being > presented to IFLA (The International Federation of Library Associations > and Institutions), a prestigious, international organization. Very few, > if any media folk in attendance. I think Laura should be congratulated > for taking the initiative to get synthesize and clarify this information > and to get it out into the larger library world. > > gary > > > > > > Deg, > > Sorry. > > I actually only read the abstract , I missed the link for the full paper. > > All I can say is that it is sad someone HAS to do a paper on this. I did > > now scan the paper and I think she understands that while distributors > are > > free to set the pricing and terms of use they should NOT be justifying > > this > > by insinuating that class room use ever requires PPR rights. Honestly I > > think with advent of the streaming question, this will be a non issue in > > the > > future. > > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Deg Farrelly <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Huh? Did you read the paper? (It was linked from the article) > >> > >> It has * nothing at all * to do with streaming rights. In fact, the > >> only > >> reference to streaming is the penultimate paragraph which poses the > >> question: How are streaming media and born digital media going to be > >> distributed for public performance? > >> > >> Otherwise this article is all about the issue of distributors claiming > >> the > >> need for PPR for face-to-face teaching. > >> > >> -deg farrelly > >> > >> ********** > >> Jessica wrote: > >> > >> With all due respect I think that is a terrible and misleading title. I > >> don't even think those claiming the right do digitize and stream films > >> for > >> students in classes would use the term " Public Performance Rights" > >> which > >> inevitably refers to showing a film to the public in public. Ironically > >> I > >> think the presenter is falling for the misleading information or set up > >> used > >> by some distributors who try to claim that an exempt "face to face" > >> classroom use requires a PPR license. The much more contentious question > >> and > >> which IS in legal dispute is the use of films OUTSIDE the physical > >> classroom > >> and whether there is some special exemption that covers that under some > >> reading of "fair use". I realize it is just the title and I presume the > >> usual issues will come up, but I think it starts with a false premise of > >> some kind. > >> > >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >> issues > >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > >> control, > >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries > >> and > >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an > >> effective > >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > >> distributors. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jessica Rosner > > Media Consultant > > 224-545-3897 (cell) > > 212-627-1785 (land line) > > [email protected] > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > of > > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > > producers and distributors. > > > > > Gary Handman > Director > Media Resources Center > Moffitt Library > UC Berkeley > > 510-643-8566 > [email protected] > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > --Francois Truffaut > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) [email protected]
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
