No rights holder is looking for 16mm prints, they have been throwing them out for years ( even if many did not make to the dumpster) I actually have a number of friends who are "looking" and actively collect them but alas rights are whole different issue. In this case you actually know who the rights holder is which is better than many. For the record if you actually end up dealing with Studio Canal or any major rights holder I would actually LIE about the format. Tell them you want rights to show the DVD, mentioning prints only upsets them and I am not kidding. It is barely concealed secret among venues that program prints that if the rights holder does not have a print and you can find one , just ask for for the exhibition rights for DVD. They are being paid for the rights to their film.
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Dave Dvorchak <[email protected]>wrote: > Oh well. These things have been sitting unattended in basements since > the late 80s / early 90s. No documentation at this point about leases > or even where they came from (studio? distributor? private > collector?). Nobody's looking for them (besides me), I can tell you > that. > > On 6/8/12, elizabeth mcmahon <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, Jessica, educational, documentary, animated, childrens and > > independently produced features are typically life of print, as acquired > for > > public libraries. Studio feature length films, at least in my experience, > > such as "Tales Of Hoffman" would qualify, are almost without exception > > leased, usually 5 years. And you better hold on to that paper work (as > well > > as the paperwork for life of print titles), or else you risk dereliction > of > > duty. David, you never own something that you lease. > > > > > > Elizabeth > > > > From: Jessica Rosner <[email protected]> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 4:05 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Videolib] The Tales of Hoffman / Studio Canal > >> > >> > >>I am confused. Did your library itself buy a print with life of print > >> lease? They have not been all that common for a long time. Most studio > >> titles were sold for a limited number of years at which time they needed > >> to be renewed. In general it is not likely > >>that studio feature films had life of print leases, not sure about > >> educational titles. > >> > >> > >> > >>On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Dave Dvorchak <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>How about the ones we did buy / do own that had leases though? I have no > >> meaningful way to prove it. > >>>On Jun 8, 2012 3:25 PM, "Jessica Rosner" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>The leases were not transferable. The odds of Studio Canal "catching " > you > >>> are pretty much nil but it would be an illegal show. > >>>>I am making some progress in getting you an email but you would be > >>>> sending it to someone in France. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>One long shot would be to contact the Scorsese office or um DENNIS and > >>>> try to get in touch with Thelma Schoonmaker, Michael Powell's widow > and > >>>> Scorsese's long time editor. She has no legal rights to the film but I > >>>> suspect if she asked Studio Canal to let you show an IB 16mm they > might > >>>> be guilted into agreeing > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Dave Dvorchak < > [email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>How do you prove anything with these old life of print leases? If we > >>>> bought these prints in the 60s and 70s, that paperwork is long gone. > >>>> Screen it and hope nobody comes after you? What if you inherit another > >>>> library's collection and they had leases on them? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Jessica Rosner <[email protected] > > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>I would strongly suspect they screened it from a very old life of > print > >>>>> lease. I can tell you that the film has never had > >>>>>>"regular" US film distribution and has been about the hardest Powell > >>>>>> film to track down and screen. However if > >>>>>>Studio Canal is the owner you will at least get an answer. I have put > >>>>>> my feelers out but my friend who has dealt with them the most is out > >>>>>> of town at the moment. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Dave Dvorchak > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I can see on Google that the Boston Public Library did a 16mm > screening > >>>>>> in 2004, there must be some hope. > >>>>>>>My print crushes any DVD version out there! > >>>>>>>On Jun 8, 2012 11:24 AM, "Jessica Rosner" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>They used to have a US rep named Stuart Lessel (?) in LA and I hate > to > >>>>>>> burst your bubble or jump to conclusions but > >>>>>>>>Studio Canal is almost surely one of those if you have to ask you > >>>>>>>> can't afford it places. Their standard fee for venues > >>>>>>>>to show a current film is 500 Euros per show according to several > of > >>>>>>>> my customers. They are also not likely to be friendly to the idea > of > >>>>>>>> 16mm print being licensed. That said I will try to get you a > >>>>>>>> contact. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Dave Dvorchak > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I have acquired a stupendous (!!!) original IB Technicolor 16mm > print > >>>>>>>> of this film, too good not to screen for the public. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Criterion did a DVD which is now out of print, they say the rights > >>>>>>>>> are with Studio Canal but don't know who, or if anyone, > distributes > >>>>>>>>> in the US. They thought maybe Rialto Pictures but it doesn't look > >>>>>>>>> like it's in their catalog. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Anyone have a Studio Canal contact? Do they have a US operation? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>>>David Dvorchak > >>>>>>>>>Office Manager > >>>>>>>>>Providence Community Library > >>>>>>>>>[email protected] > >>>>>>>>>(401) 467-2700 x2 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion > of > >>>>>>>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > >>>>>>>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of > current > >>>>>>>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. > >>>>>>>>> It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool > >>>>>>>>> for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between > >>>>>>>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > >>>>>>>>> distributors. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion > of > >>>>>>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > >>>>>>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of > current > >>>>>>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. > It > >>>>>>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for > >>>>>>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between > >>>>>>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > >>>>>>>> distributors. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >>>>>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > >>>>>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > >>>>>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. > It > >>>>>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for > >>>>>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between > >>>>>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > >>>>>>> distributors. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >>>>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > >>>>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > >>>>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It > >>>>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for > >>>>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between > >>>>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > >>>>>> distributors. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-- > >>>>>David Dvorchak > >>>>>Office Manager > >>>>>Providence Community Library > >>>>>[email protected] > >>>>>(401) 467-2700 x2 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >>>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > acquisition,bibliographic > >>>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats > in > >>>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will > >>>>> serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a > >>>>> channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, > >>>>> and video producers and distributors. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > acquisition,bibliographic > >>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats > in > >>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will > serve > >>>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a > channel > >>>> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > >>>> producers and distributors. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will > serve > >>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel > >>> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > >>> producers and distributors. > >>> > >>> > >> > >>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues > >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, > >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries > >> and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an > >> effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > >> producers and distributors. > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > David Dvorchak > Office Manager > Providence Community Library > [email protected] > (401) 467-2700 x2 > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. >
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
