As these are films that have as mentioned had significant theatrical play they pretty much have done that part of marketing. If the film is available through an aggregate site it is pretty much the end of direct sales and it is perfectly understandable that aggregator can't pay very much for a single film so when a filmmaker is trying to recoup tens of thousands of dollars ( and trust me they only expect a fraction of this to come from academic sales) this is not a good option. Now it depends entirely on the film. I think these films are more than strong enough to sell on their own, I think one is an absolute blockbuster. I would not expect any library to buy them unless they would be used for classes.
I also think I have accidentally mixed up the streaming issue with the film itself. The streaming rights are pretty much the cherry on top and it is about the content of the films and their use in studies. No one is being forced to buy streaming rights, they can buy the DVD without them but again one distinct advantage of dealing directly with the filmmakers is that you can by them with guaranteed lifetime streaming rights as these filmmakers own all rights themselves. I admit this is not likely the norm but these are honestly rather dedicated filmmakers who are committed to keeping control of their films and being directly involved in the distribution. FYI I am told that the NMM site will be open to any librarian in October for one month. Ursula are you lurking around? On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Jo Ann Reynolds < [email protected]> wrote: > Jessica,**** > > ** ** > > So, they want to sink their $$ into marketing then?**** > > ** ** > > To be blunt right back, as an academic purchaser I am going to favor > aggregated sites because they are more likely to be one stop shopping for > me. When faculty x tells me she wants a film on y subject there is a limit > to the amount of time I have to devote to that search. I am going to lean > heavily in the direction of vendors who’ve got material from a variety of > sources, who understand the academic market and what we need, and who have > a site searchable by subject and/or keyword.**** > > ** ** > > The filmmaker doesn’t have to negotiate an exclusive agreement with a > distributor, or do they? Seems to me they are going to get lost in the > crowd by trying to go it alone.**** > > ** ** > > Maybe the NMM will open up their website to the world, we can only hope!** > ** > > ** ** > > Jo Ann **** > > ** ** > > Jo Ann Reynolds**** > > Reserve Services Coordinator**** > > University of Connecticut Libraries**** > > 369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005RR**** > > Storrs, CT 06269-1005**** > > [email protected]**** > > 860-486-1406**** > > 860-486-5636 (fax)**** > > *http://classguides.lib.uconn.edu/mediaresources ***** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:39 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Streaming Rights - House of Sand and Fog**** > > ** ** > > To be blunt because they would lose their shirts. These are folks who > invested a lot of money in making the films I don't want to hype them here > but they are new films that have had significant theatrical play and are on > subjects of major interest to the academic world ( and they won't be out in > the retail market) I have the greatest respect for ASP, New Day for t etc > but they simply would not generate the revenue these folks need to survive. > It is understandable that collections containing thousands of films can't > afford to pay very much for an individual title but I am confident that > these are important films that many institutions will want to buy. To be > honest I am more familiar with ASP model than New Day or Docuseek but the > directors really want to handle all their sales directly. They do not have > to be streamed but as many institutions now want streaming rights we want > to make them available. Libraries are more then welcome to buy them without > streaming rights.**** > > ** ** > > PS I will be taking to of them to The National Media Market so hope to > see some of you there.**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jo Ann Reynolds < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > Why don’t you send them to one of the vendor’s who stream indie stuff, > Like New Day Digital or Docuseek2? Many libraries don’t have in-house > streaming expertise either.**** > > **** > > Best,**** > > Jo Ann**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:22 AM**** > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Streaming Rights - House of Sand and Fog**** > > **** > > Thanks for answering my stupid question. I am dealing with some indie docs > where the filmmakers as a practical matter can't really do their own > streaming and I am trying to figure out if institutions will just put up > their own site and what are best ways to do this . So far I have only been > able to do this with DVD but I can suggest a higher end digital format. > This is mostly for sale with lifetime rights but I don't think that makes a > difference format wise in terms of streaming. **** > > For the record I don't even own a DVD player. I am a proud luddite which > may not be the best thing for some of these issues. > > Thanks again**** > > **** > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Jo Ann Reynolds < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > They provide us with the film in digitized format, MP4, and we stream it.* > *** > > **** > > Best,**** > > Jo Ann**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner > *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:12 AM**** > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Streaming Rights - House of Sand and Fog**** > > **** > > Sorry but I am a total technical idiot. Does this mean they provide you > with the film in digized format and you stream it or they stream it and you > can access it?**** > > Either way I am glad they are now in the game, now we all need to gang up > on Criterion/Janus who still does not allow streaming on their titles which > is nuts ( though most are on Hulu)**** > > **** > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Jo Ann Reynolds < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > I just called Criterion and it seems they are streaming to institutions. > They charge for the MP4 and the length of time you want to stream.**** > > **** > > Negotiate! I was able to reduce the price somewhat by buying multiple > titles. We haven’t inked any agreement yet but I am pursuing.**** > > **** > > Best,**** > > Jo Ann **** > > **** > > Jo Ann Reynolds**** > > Reserve Services Coordinator**** > > University of Connecticut Libraries**** > > 369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005RR**** > > Storrs, CT 06269-1005**** > > [email protected]**** > > 860-486-1406**** > > 860-486-5636 (fax)**** > > *http://classguides.lib.uconn.edu/mediaresources ***** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:09 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Streaming Rights - House of Sand and Fog**** > > **** > > It went over to Criterion Pictures USA but I am unclear if there streaming > is set up yet. **** > > Here is link for listing and in general I would try them for any title > Swank used to have as there is a lot of shuffling > > > http://media2.criterionpic.com/htbin/wwform/014?TEXT=R6084263-6087934-/CA/WWI770.HTM > **** > > **** > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Linkous, Kimberly A. <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Hello –**** > > **** > > It seems Swank has lost the rights to this film. Does anyone know of > another source for streaming rights?**** > > **** > > Thank you,**** > > Kimberly Linkous**** > > St. Louis Community College**** > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors.**** > > **** > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors.**** > > **** > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors.**** > > **** > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors.**** > > ** ** > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > >
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