not that it really matters here but pretty sure the judge in the GSU did propose 10% as some absolute max which had the amusing result of upsetting both sides.
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Shoaf,Judith P <jsh...@ufl.edu> wrote: > Jessica is right; there are only guidelines, not bright lines. I think > that makes sense, from a more userly point of view. Even in the GSU case > the 10% was not proposed by the judge as an absolute, just a number she > would balance with the other factors as being probably safe. But as Jessica > says if that 10% is the heart of the work, it requires permission. > > > > It should not be hard to avoid “the heart of the work” in the Alice > mashup. What is the heart of that book? I suppose that to a modern > sensibility it might be the conversation with the caterpillar, but that > probably varies from one film to another. > > > > Judy > > > > *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner > *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:10 PM > > *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] mashup/copyright Q > > > > Much as I wish that WAS the law it is not. There is no percentage > whatsoever in the actual copyright law. The recent GSU case used 10% as an > absolute amount and this was in fact opposed by both sides. There are > instances were 10% can be too much ( in the GSU case several works were > deemed to use too much because it was at the heart of the work even if they > used LESS than 10% a point ironically almost never mentioned by those > claiming it could somehow justify streaming an ENTIRE work) by the same > token there could be a case where one could use more than 10% ( though I > have not seen it I get the impression that this is the case with some clips > used in LA PLAYS ITSELF). > > This is kind of why "fair use" drives everyone nuts. > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Moshiri, Farhad <mosh...@uiwtx.edu> > wrote: > > *4.2.1 Motion Media * > > Up to 10% or 3 minutes, whichever is less, in the aggregate of a > copyrighted motion media work may be reproduced or otherwise incorporated > as part of a multimedia project created under Section 2 of these > guidelines. > > > > http://copyright.lib.utexas.edu/ccmcguid.html > > > > Farhad Moshiri, MLS > > Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate > > Audiovisual Librarian > > Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, > > Middle Eastern Studies > > University of the Incarnate Word > > J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library > > 4301 Broadway – CPO 297 > > San Antonio, TX 78209 > > (210) 829-3842 > ------------------------------ > > *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu < > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> on behalf of Jessica Rosner < > jessicapros...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:40 AM > > > *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] mashup/copyright Q > > > > No there is NO 3 minute rule. Fair Use has always been deliberately > vague. You are supposed to use the minimum amount that will achieve your > goal without compromising the heart of the work or the value to the rights > holder. In this case I would say 99.9% you are fine but two potential > issues. > > Is this going to be an event that charges admission? This does not in > anyway rule out "fair use" but it can raise the bar. The other issue is I > think less legal than practical, I am going to assume you have a Disney > version in the mix? They are notoriously litigious and often just best to > avoid the trouble. I would also be careful to credit each version you use > material from. > > In general the type of thing you describe is what "fair use" was meant > for, using portions of works to create a new work without harming the > original works. > > Good luck > > Jessica > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Moshiri, Farhad <mosh...@uiwtx.edu> > wrote: > > As far as I understand the copyright law and fair use, you can do this but > you're limited to up to 3 minutes of each film and you should not > select the "heart of the work" in this 3 minutes limit for each film. > > > > Farhad Moshiri, MLS > > Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate > > Audiovisual Librarian > > Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, > > Middle Eastern Studies > > University of the Incarnate Word > > J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library > > 4301 Broadway – CPO 297 > > San Antonio, TX 78209 > > (210) 829-3842 > ------------------------------ > > *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu < > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> on behalf of Sarah E. McCleskey < > sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:07 AM > *To:* 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] mashup/copyright Q > > > > Hi Lorraine, > > > > I would do it. Sounds like fair use to me. Also, I perceive your risk in > this situation as extremely low. You’re not charging admission for the > film, right? Not a money making venture? > > > > BTW sounds like a cool program! This summer I saw the Czech film “Alice” > at a big outdoor screening. Such an amazing interpretation of the tale. > > > > Sarah > > > > > > Sarah E. McCleskey, M.A., M.S.L.S. > > Head of Access Services > > 112 Axinn Library > > 123 Hofstra University > > Hempstead, NY 11549 > > Phone 516-463-5076 > > Fax 516-463-4309 > > sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Wochna, Lorraine > *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:14 AM > *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > *Subject:* [Videolib] mashup/copyright Q > > > > Hello all, > > I need some advice here; this is a bit new to me in terms of the legality > of use. Here is the scenario: > > > > We are doing a big ALICE in WONDERLAND promo gig (display, film and > speaker). > > > > The student working on the PR would like to use a scene from 5 different > versions of ALICE IN WONDERLAND. > > We would then like to put it on the web (our library page, but it would be > accessible to all). > > > > In the world of ‘fair use’ and ‘remix’ can we do this legally? > > I don’t feel qualified to give a definitive yes or no on this. > > Your advice is greatly appreciated. > > > > Best, > > lorraine > > > > > > > > lorraine wochna > > African American Studies, English Lit, Performing Arts Librarian > > Alden Library, 2nd floor > > Ohio University > > Athens OH 45701 > > W 740-597-1238 > > CHAT WITH ME: http://libguides.library.ohiou.edu/prf.php?account_id=7943 > > MAKE APPT: http://ohiou.libcal.com/appointment/2001 > > [image: small card lorraine] > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or > contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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