Alexander Batov wrote:

>Following the lines of the resent discussion of large-size vihuelas and
>guitars here is a late 15th - early 16th century Catalan picture (which
>isn't very often reproduced) that shows what appears to be a sort of "double
>bass" size vihuela or viola da mano:
>
>http://www.vihuelademano.com/current/pages/vihuela-grande.htm
>
>Alexander
>
>  
>

Crawford Young gives some references for possible tunings for lutes in 
the late 15th century. One is from a Venetian MS: D-G- c-f-a-d1. Young 
says: ...'the instrument depicted in this source is a very large one, 
the largest of any of our late 15th century lutes.' I think there is 
just a chart in the MS, not an actual picture of the instrument and 
Young says that it might not be for lute but for viola, plucked or 
bowed. Nevertheless Young is obviously thinking of a big instrument - 
like the one Alexander shows(?)

An instrument with a low D could, I suppose, be  correspondingly larger 
than a standard one in the way that a discant lute a fourth higher would 
be a lot smaller.
(But why couldn't they have just put a seventh course on a standard G 
instrument?)

Crawford Young also gives a specifically viola da mano tuning from 
Bologna (mentioned in David Fallow's LSJ article) for a 7 course 
instrument tuned to A but with a low E string.

But the vihuela grande in Alexander's picture doesn't appear to be even 
a six course instrument. The player seems to be playing a chord - rather 
than a bass line?
I wonder how low the bass line went in the late 15th century. I've only 
looked at a very few pieces but in those pieces even a low F is rare.

I'm fascinated by the idea of plucked ensembles reading from mensural 
notation rather than tab. There appears to masses  of evidence for 
plucked duos (large and small lutes or lute and gittern and, perhaps 
viola/vihuela equivalents). But Jon Banks reckons there are trios too  - 
the evidence being  'instrumental' textless chansons in 3 parts. So 
maybe the trio of instruments  would be: a 'standard' lute or 
viola/vihuela in G (or  A), and an instrument a fourth higher and - like 
the vihuela grande in Alexander's picture - a fourth lower. Maybe a 
larger instrument would project the line better than a standard 
instrument with an added seventh course.

(Martin Shepherd implied this in an earlier discussion of Jon Banks' 
suggestions)

The small violas in the picture are interesting too ( fourth higher than 
'standard'?). They are the first ones I've seen where you can actually 
see the bridge. I  can't make out whether it's floating or fixed.



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