Eh! This was in answer to a direct question about this one particular
matter from Lex! Not a continuation of your mail....... I think you've
got confused - with respect,
Sorry - but I don't think so. You dragged in the theorbo which is
completely irrelevant when considering how to accompanying alfabeto songs.
You somehow seem to be trying to argue that the fact that on the theorbo
bass notes occasionally have to be displaced proves that there is a bass
part lurking amidst the alfabeto chords.
As an explanation as to why the theorbo does displace notes this is
helpful - but it is a red herring as far as the topic under discussion -
which started with Agazzari - is concerned.
And incidentally Corbetta's pieces in 1671 are not as far as we know
intended for
self accompaniment. He is not known to have been a singer and presumably
you don't sing one of the parts yourself when performing them...... or do
you?
As ever
Monica
rgds
M
--- On Sat, 17/12/11, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return
to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "Lex Eisenhardt"
<eisenha...@planet.nl>
Date: Saturday, 17 December, 2011, 12:32
That is all perfectly clear - but has absolutely nothing to do with
playing
an alfabeto accompaniment - because the guitar is not going to try and
reproduce the bass part in any way.
You seem to be me to be confusing two unrelated sets of circumstances.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Lex Eisenhardt" <[2]eisenha...@planet.nl>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to
earlier
question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}
>
> Dear Lex,
>
> A particular commonly occurring situation requiring the bass line
to be
> realised on the theorbo higher than the upper melodic line is where
the
> tenor sings a notated e' (ie that on the lowest line of treble
clef)
> but sounding an octave lower (ie the e in the bass clef) and the BC
> line has a low G# 6 (ie on bottom line of bass clef). If G natural
is
> also frequently required in the piece (as often found) then on
> a theorbo in A (with 6 fingered courses as most usual historically)
> there is no low G# and the player is obliged to take the bass an
octave
> higher - ie top space of the bass clef and thus higher than the
> singer's note. The situation is much the same where the tenor has a
d
> and the theorbo BC is obliged to take a f# in the bass.
> Other types of specific examples include Caccini's 'Reggami per
pieta'
> where the singer has a low F# which has to be played by the BC an
> octave higher since there are necessary low F naturals elsewhere in
the
> piece.
>
> Chromatic notes are solved in the same way: by putting odd notes
(or
> even an entire passage) up an octave - see Ballard 'Methode pour
> apprendre.... theorbe' (1660) page 10 especially which gives
examples
> in staff notation and in tablature showing the necessary octave
> transposition for chromatic notes.
>
> rgds
>
> Martyn
>
>
> --- On Sat, 17/12/11, Lex Eisenhardt <[4]eisenha...@planet.nl>
wrote:
>
> From: Lex Eisenhardt <[5]eisenha...@planet.nl>
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was:
Return
> to earlier question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}
> To: "Monica Hall" <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>, "Martyn Hodgson"
> <[7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Saturday, 17 December, 2011, 8:58
>
> Dear Martyn,
> Is there evidence for raising the bass on the theorbo, to even
above
> the
> other voices? I understand that chromatic notes in the bass can be
a
> problem, but do we know how they solved that?
> Lex
> ps could you please stop sending the whole thread of the discussion
> together
> with your newest posts?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[1][9]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Monica Hall" <[2][10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][11]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:46 AM
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming as basso continuo {was: Return to
> earlier
> question: {was: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]}
> >
> > Thanks Monica,
> >
> > But I still don't see, and you don't explain, how other changes
> (such
> > as raising the bass an octave in a theorbo realisation) differs
> > substantially from doing the same sort of thing on the guitar
> >
> > As said, maybe we just have to agree to disagree......
> >
> > rgds
> >
> > Martyn
>
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