I don't know, Martyn. Generally, any paper being presented at any conference or festival does not turn into generally accepted fact, does it? If there is such a thing as 'fact' in historical research :-)
A I certainly attend these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. However,A I think the tentative integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology that we see happening these days is a good thing. Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: A A Well yes....... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by A A the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem A A (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally A A accepted fact? A A Martyn A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Monica Hall <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> A A To: "Braig, Eugene" <[3]brai...@osu.edu> A A Cc: Vihuelalist <[4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A That sums it up very nicely. A Both the list and the Lake Konstanz A A meeting A A were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss A A their A A interests. A No need for any peer reviewing or the like. A A Monica A A ----- Original Message ----- A A From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][5]brai...@osu.edu> A A To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2][6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note A A for A A > redirection. A Here it is again with the offending word deleted. A A > A A > E A A > A A > A A > -----Original Message----- A A > From: Braig, Eugene A A > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM A A > To: Vihuela Dmth A A > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A > A A > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they A A should. A A > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research A A > Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. A You can A A see a A A > concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the A A > bottom this GFA page: [3][7]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums A A . . . as A A > well as the organizers' own Facebook group: A A > [4][8]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never A A managed to A A > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. A A > A A > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present A A suite A A > of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. A A > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple A A different A A > online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar History List") A A that A A > slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. A I have been a A A spotty A A > contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since A A 2005. A A > When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion A A centered on A A > transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. A Yes, Matanya Ophee A A > served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to A A and A A > prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever A A your A A > opinion of them are. A Still, at its core, the "summit" was really A A only a A A > listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional A A performers A A > who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of A A knowledge A A > (I tended to do more asking than ans! A A > wering). A A > A A > Best, A A > Eugene A A > A A > A A > -----Original Message----- A A > From: [5][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A [mailto:[6][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On A A > Behalf Of jelmaa A A > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM A A > To: Martyn Hodgson A A > Cc: Vihuela Dmth A A > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A > A A > Hi Martin and others, A A > A A > No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the A A organizers, A A > but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts A A of A A > the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is A A published A A > though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if A A you A A > want to know more. A A > A A > Best, Jelma A A > A A > A A > On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A > A A >> A Thank you Jelma. A A >> A Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or A A are A A >> A they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? A A >> A regards A A >> A Martyn A A >> A A __________________________________________________________________ A A >> A A >> A From: Jelma van Amersfoort <[7][11]jel...@gmail.com> A A >> A To: Lex Eisenhardt <[8][12]eisenha...@planet.nl> A A >> A Cc: Vihuela Dmth <[9][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A >> A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 A A >> A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A >> A A Dear all, A A >> A A A A A >> A A "Lake Konstanz" is a bi-annual international conference on A A >> A A guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was A A established A A >> A A in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is A A in A A >> A A 2015. A A >> A A A A A >> A A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by A A the A A >> A A composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from A A many A A >> A A different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and A A >> A fun. A A >> A A As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who A A recently A A >> A A published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee A A too. A A >> A A A A A >> A A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to A A approach A A >> A A Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to A A involve A A >> A more A A >> A A researchers. I believe there is no website, but there is a rather A A >> A A active facebook page. A A >> A A ([1][1][10][14]https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/131072740286508/ ) A A >> A A A A A >> A A Best, Jelma van Amersfoort A A >> A A A A A >> A A A A A >> A A On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lex Eisenhardt A A >> A A <[2][2][11][15]eisenha...@planet.nl> wrote: A A >> A A A Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music A A (41/4 A A >> A A A A and A A >> A A A 42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz' A A (Summit) A A >> A A A meetings. A A >> A A A -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- A A >> A A A Van: [3][3][12][16]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A >> A A A [mailto:[4][4][13][17]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens A A >> A A A WALSH STUART A A >> A A A Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54 A A >> A A A Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth A A >> A A A Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A >> A A On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A >>> A A A A ----- Forwarded Message ----- A A >>> A A A A From: Martyn Hodgson <[5][5][14][18]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> A A A A A A >>> To: Monica Hall <[6][6][15][19]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> A A A A Sent: A A Tuesday, 24 A A >>> June 2014, 7:26 A A A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A A >>> Thanks for this. A A >>> A A A A I was intrigued by the use of the word 'summit' which implied A A >> A A some A A >> A A sort A A >>> A A A A of self-proclaimed central authority! A A >> A A I think that would be about right. Surrounded by worshippers. A A >>> But from what you write, it seems A A >>> A A A A to be/have been more of a social event.... A A >>> A A A A Martyn A A >>> A A A A A A A >> A A __________________________________________________________________ A A >>> A A >>> A A A A From: Monica Hall <[7][7][16][20]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> A A A A To: A A >>> Martyn Hodgson <[8][8][17][21]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> A A A A Cc: A A >>> Vihuelalist <[9][9][18][22]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A A A Sent: A A Monday, 23 A A >>> June 2014, 19:29 A A A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A A A >>> Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of A A >> A A Matanya A A >>> A A A A Ophee. A A >>> A A A A Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from A A >> A Germany, A A >> A A and A A >> A A such A A >>> A A A A like A A >>> A A A A places. A They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland A A >> A every A A >> A A two A A >>> A A A A years. A A >>> A A A A The last one was in 2012 I think. A A >>> A A A A There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent A A >> A A have not A A >>> A A A A got A A >>> A A A A through and I haven't received any for ages. A A >>> A A A A Monica A A >>> A A A A ----- Original Message ----- A A >>> A A A A From: "Martyn Hodgson" A A <[1][10][10][19][23]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> A A >>> A A A A To: "Monica Hall" <[2][11][11][20][24]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; A A >> A "Vihuelalist" A A >>> A A A A <[3][12][12][21][25]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A >>> A A A A Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:37 PM A A A A Subject: [VIHUELA] A A >>> Re: Guitar Summit A A A A > A To be frank Monica, I've never heard of A A >>> it! A What is/was A A >> A A it A A >> A A supposed A A >>> A A A A to A A >>> A A A A > A do? A A >>> A A A A > A Martyn A A >>> A A A A > A A >> A A __________________________________________________________________ A A >>> A A A A > A A >>> A A A A > A From: Monica Hall <[4][13][13][22][26]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> A A >>> A A A A > A To: Vihuelalist <[5][14][14][23][27]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A >>> A A A A > A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 15:30 A A A A > A Subject: A A >>> [VIHUELA] Guitar Summit A A A A > A A A I just wondered whether anyone A A >>> else on this list is on A A >> A A the Guitar A A >>> A A A A > A A A Summit list and if so whether they ever get any A A >> A A messages. A I A A >>> A A A A haven't A A >>> A A A A > A A A had any for months and was wondering whether it is A A >> A A defunct or A A >>> A A A A whether A A >>> A A A A > A I A A >>> A A A A > A A A have been struck off! 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