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> I dont think that vim is made to attract 'young people'. Its mean to
> attract someone that need a powerful editor, not only developers but
> people that edit plain text files in general. That is a different
> niche.
>
> For 'young people' exist others editor more suitable to be "good looking".
>
> I'm really vote down the idea of "seduce new users" via attractive
> look, vim attract user by the mean of *text editor* features, let me
> repeat it: *text editor*. When people try to convince you to use vim,
> they dont talk about toolbar the talk about the über cool features it
> has.
>
> And about icons, I prefer small icons and small fonts, the small that
> they can be. 16px is a good size for me, and I have a "High Definition
> Wide Screen". For me big icons (>22px) are ugly.
I think we're mixing two points that are not necessarily exclusive: a nice
interface and powerful features. Aesthetics can be relevant even for the power
user; it's not a matter of being young or old, newbie or seasoned.
Without going to extremes -- no toolbar vs 48px icons -- how can we have a
more uniform interface? Gnome/GTK2 users seem to be pretty happy (I'm one of
them, btw). Why can't we also please Windows users?
> > So I hope that I convince you that beautiful is not the opposite of
> > powerful. And those words have no link with easyvim or vim mode use.
> >
>
> No, its not. I share this opinion too. But, vim and a toolbar dont
> really fit. Vim is mean to used with keyboard if you are clicking on
> icons you are doing it wrong...
Of course, if you can always :set go-=T, then the toolbar is irrelevant for
you. The problem is not having a toolbar users don't like, but having a
toolbar that users enjoy.
> If you want a beautiful vim, you need to look for color schemes and
> things like this.
As well.
> The problem with you idea it that you targeted a wrong audience (i.e.
> the vim users).
I think he targeted a narrow audience that shared his taste on interface
(large icons). It doesn't mean he has no point. Some other users in this list
agreed that the Windows toolbar feels old.
> Unix users usually are more minimalist, and vim users usually are more
> unix like users.
Sure, and these users are already covered, right? You can always use the
terminal... That's not the point.
> "Small is beautiful." Mike Gancarz
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler", Einstein's
razor.
Again, I think we should look for more "uniformity" in the interface, which
would mean a more aesthetic, modern toolbar for the Windows version, similar
to what we already have in the Gnome/GTK2 interface. Being attractive and/or
appealing is a consequence.
Cheers,
Luis
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