The same might happen to this message. At this stage in composition,
Thunderbird is showing latin1 as the encoding; if it indeed goes out
like that, this message can serve as another test case.

Of course, it goes without saying that Groups broke with tradition and
didn't mangle that one. Maybe only some Groups servers have the bug, or
it's something more complicated that triggers it. How annoying.

Ah, so you're right: this seems to be the copy that went straight from
Yahoo to Gmail, and the one that transited through GoogleGroups never
made it into my Inbox, even though the "To: [email protected]"
triggered my mail filters to get this message out of Inbox and into
the Vim List folder.

Well, that at least explains why you didn't see the problem the first
time around, even if we don't know when exactly Groups breaks....

I asked someone, and he says that it looks like the problem is caused by
yahoo.com.au.  Perhaps it depends on the way you route the message?

I won't say it's not Yahoo, but that seems unlikely to me, because it
has happened with mail from other origins, and I can't think of anything
that would cause Yahoo to do an encoding conversion when communicating
with some remote servers and not others (or indeed at all). I give my
mail to Yahoo using SMTP, so no browser issues are in play, and Yahoo
doesn't even seem to do content filtering to append an ad (amazing!),
but even if it did, it would be hard to explain why character set
conversion would happen for some destinations and not others. AFAIK,
nothing a destination mail server could report would cause an origin
server to do a character set conversion. Transfer encoding, yes, but not
character set. It seems more likely that some of Groups' jiggerypokery
has a bug in it; after all, groups does a lot more than just deliver
mail--it prepares it for web archives and so on as well, and character
set issues definitely come into play there, so need to be dealt with.

Not sure how we can track this down further. It only happens sometimes,
so it may be that only some of Yahoo's or Groups' servers are affected.

Naïvely,

Ben.



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