2015-10-11 11:36 GMT+03:00 Gevisz <[email protected]>: > On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 00:15:00 +0200 Tony Mechelynck > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Gevisz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:23:33 +1100 Erik Christiansen >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On 06.10.15 01:01, Filype Pereira wrote: >> >> > So, I started reading a vim book and didn't get very far, when I >> >> > stopped at this line: >> >> > >> >> > > If you can't touch type, then go learn it and then come back to learn >> >> > > vim. >> >> >> >> What a load of bollocks! >> >> >> >> During three decades of earning a living developing software, I used >> >> vi/vim for the last quarter century without ever learning to touch type. >> >> OK, I use quite a few fingers, and it goes pretty fast, but I do need to >> >> look at the keyboard most of the time. That doesn't manifest as a >> >> practical problem, since the computers I've used have all been very good >> >> at remembering what I've typed, so I have no need to view the screen at >> >> more than infrequent intervals. >> >> >> >> One thing I've noticed is that where one values quality over quantity, >> >> it is the amount of thought that goes into a composition which matters, >> >> not how rapidly it was input, or whether the typist did it with his eyes >> >> closed. >> > >> > Completely agree and would throw the book after the phrase right into the >> > trash bin. >> > >> > Unfortunately, I cannot boast that I use vim for a three decade, but I do >> > use it >> > and I do type using computers for a quarter of century. >> > >> > When necessary, I type fast enough to do my job quickly but I never tried >> > to learn >> > a touch typing and I should admit that for me it is already too late to >> > learn it. >> > >> > Nevertheless, I do use a "blind typing" in the sense that I do not look >> > into >> > the monitor when I type, only to the keyboard. I get used to this style yet >> > about 25 years ago trying to save my eyes from the ray monitors of that >> > days. >> > >> > Usually, I type a whole sentence without looking into the monitor. >> > >> > It does not mean that I do not know my keyboard layout. I do know it and >> > can type >> > in a complete darkness (but much more slowly, of course). >> > >> > My hands move over the keyboard almost automatically but I still need a >> > little feedback >> > from my eyes to not hit "i" instead of "o" for example. >> > >> > In this connection I have only one inconvenience connected with the facts >> > that >> > 1) I usually have to use 3 keyboard layouts at the same time switching >> > between them with a hot key, >> > 2) it is impossible to have a "direct hot key switch" to a certain >> > keyboard layout in Linux world. >> > >> > Because of that I have to remember all the time not only in which vim mode >> > I am but also in which >> > keyboard layout I am and it is too much for me. As the result, I too often >> > end up raising my eyes >> > to the monitor and finding out that I have typed the whole sentence in >> > incorrect keybord layout. :( >> > >> > In such times I very much miss the good old MS DOS keyrus driver that >> > could have been configured >> > to produce a pleasant "crimping" noise when typing in a cyrillic keyboard >> > layout and nothing >> > when typing in Latin keyboard layout, for example. >> > >> > But the "direct hot key switch" could also help a lot in this situation. >> > Unfortunately, as far as I know, it is impossible in the Linux World. >> > >> > P.S. By a "direct hot key switch" I mean the hot key that switches >> > directly to a certain >> > keyboard layout, not by circling through all the active ones. >> > >> > However, such a "direct hot key switch" is possible in Windows. >> >> In Vim (but only in Vim) I also use 3 keyboard layouts, and there I >> could, if I wanted, assign them to hotkeys, even though I'm on Linux: >> • Most of the time I use a Belgian AZERTY keyboard with international >> Latin letters, as shown at >> http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/keybbe.htm. This is my >> only keyboard layout outside Vim. >> • A significant minority of my time is spent typing Russian with one >> keymap. If I need Russian text outside Vim I use copy-paste from Vim >> to the other application. >> • Even less often, I use a different keymap for Arabic. >> Both of these keymaps are (more or less) "phonetic", i.e. e.g. hitting >> the b key produces the letter having the b sound in that alphabet. I >> provide additional letters by means of dead keys (keymap entries with >> a {lhs} of two characters). > > I use English and two Cyrillic keyboard layouts that cannot be regarded > "phonetic" with respect to the English one. That is why I have decided > that learning a touch typing is useless for me as I need to learn it > at least for two very different keyboard layouts, which is too much for me.
I am typing Russian text in addition to English; and in order not to learn two keyboard layouts I simply create a plugin [translit3.vim][1] and now am always using English layout. As an alternative you may want to mess with creating your own input method (like the ones used for inputting Chinese/Japanese texts which have way too much symbols in their language) which will do transliteration on lower level what will also work outside of Vim. [1]: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3056 > >> It is enough for me to map the <F8> key to toggle the current keymap >> on and off in both Normal and Insert mode, and to have a custom >> statusline remind me which keymap (if any) is currently in use, but >> only when &l:iminsert == 1 > > > -- > -- > You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. > Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. > For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "vim_use" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
