On Jul 24, 5:42 pm, Joshua Juran <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Walther wrote:
>
> > By the way, see the message above?  See  how the quoted text is
> > trimmed?  See how there's no sign of the list footer quoted?  See how
> > the thread of the message flows downward in the order that people
> > read?
>
> > This is how to post a readable message.   Your top posted messages in
> > which ** YOU FAIL TO TRIM ANY QUOTED TEXT AT ALL** are rude and
> > inconsiderate to other members of the list.
>
> Maybe you should be blaming the software vendors whose mail clients  
> invite users to post this way by positioning the cursor *above* the  
> quoted reply,

They certainly popularized and contributed to the problem, but people
have the ability with a tiny bit of effort to be considerate.

> I don't like top-posting either,

My main point, which others seem to miss, was the excess quoted
text.   He quoted everything including the list footer.   I only
mentioned the top posting because that typically leads to the
incredibly inconsiderate practice of quoting without trimming.

> but your response was inappropriate.

You may be right.  I was certain that Britt had been told about this
before, but perhaps I was mistaken and this was the first time.

If so, I apologize.  I should have sent a private message instead.

I've been reading this list for a long time and notice that every
single one of his messages always contains all the text from any
previous messages.   Apparently, I reached some tipping point, but
you're right, I should have acted more reservedly if that was indeed
the first time.

>  Flaming people for being ignorant was something you  
> could get away with a couple decades ago

On LEMlists there is no ignorance excuse.  The guidelines you agree
that you have read when you sign up clearly instruct folks to trim
quoted text.

> If you really want people to stop top-posting, get Google, Apple, and  
> whoever else to fix their email clients.

As long as there are folks who consider it their right to be
inconsiderate, that will be a lost battle.  The clients contribute,
but the apologists who try to justify not taking a moment to make
their messages readable are the real problem.

Jeff Walther

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