Jake;

the 'system' hang could be caused by no or bad termination resistors on the AppleTalk/phonenet network.
each end of the connections need resistors installed in the empty holes.
resistor ->system 1 ->cable ->system 2-->cable -> system 3 ->resistor.
I have had 'system' hang/crash happen when the terminator resistor was not installed.

tcp/ip control panel/window on each machine, the only difference is the manual address.:
AppleTalk(macip)
manual config
ip address 192.168.1.(1,2,3)
router 192.168.1.1
name server address(dns) 10.0.1.1 and named dns(does not have to be a real one)
of course the performa 6110 should be the 192.168.1.1 ip address.
then
click on 'info' should show the ip address/router address info plus the open transport and tcp/ip version numbers.
my open transport  and tcp/ip versions are 1.3 on lc 475's
SE = macTCP 2.0.6

I have OS 8.1 on a lc 475, OS 7.6.1 on lc 475 and system 7.5.5 on SE. they are all 680x0 machines
the OS 8.1 machine is the Internet connection and runs ipnetrouter..
the rest are connect thru AppleTalk/phonenet connections.

no problems here with file sharing
if sharing is set up, clicking on chooser and then appleshare should show the other machine names in the box. selecting one of the names and then o.k. should show the shared volumes.
file share works whether IpNetRouter is up or not.

if tcpip panel/window is configured as above, Internet connection only works when ipnetrouter is running.
ipnetrouter configures the Ethernet connection.

try getting sharing working first.
not sure if you need to allow volume share first.
select volume name  - then file - then sharing to see.

dale

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Tesler" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI


Thanks for the suggestions! Under the new setup, a few things happened...

First, I cannot file share between my systems. Second, while the Internet on the performa worked, the PowerBook and SE still did not. lastly, and this could be unrelated, but after fiddling around for about 10 minutes, all of the connected systems "crashed" simultaneously. By crashed I mean that they froze, and the mouse moved, but the rest of the GUI was frozen. Forced restart was required.

What am I doing wrong? Help!
First, what is the PowerBook TCP/IP configuration of nameservers...etc?
Second, what is the AppleTalk configuration supposed to be for all machines?

Also, not to add to the issues, but is there a way to simultaneously have this setup AND have file sharing between macs (LocalTalk)?

I can use the AppleTalk control panel to choose what system to connect to, but I can't choose both. Would LocalTalk bridge solve this problem?

-Jake

On Dec 5, 2011, at 2:03 AM, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote:

o.k. most of config is o.k.

1. the performa (6110) tcp/ip panel should be pointing at AppleTalk(macip)
address = 192.168.1.1   router address = 192.168.1.1
and name server = 10.0.1.1 (if that is the router address)
and a dummy name server name i.e. sammie.homer or a real one if you know the name.

2. gateway panel :
ip forwarding = 'automatic'
'enable local NAT' and 'DNS forwarding' boxes checked  (only ones checked)
upon open = 'configure and display'
exposed host = 'gateway' (button)

you should wind up with two port mapping entries.
UDP type with addresses filled in automatically.

6110 should still connect to internet (browser, etc)
and powerbook should connect to internet (browser,etc)

see www.ccadams.org/se/ for the SE browsers

as they say, it works here.

hopefully the tunneling works correctly.
not real familiar with the tunnel set up.

the connections go from browser to appletalk(macip) to ipnetrouter to ethernet to router to world...
there are no inbound connections from the outside.
(there are ways to inbound connect, but not necessary to access the internet).

'fetch4' works on 68k macs (version 4.0.3) it is for classic macs so should work on 6110/powerbook
http://www.macorchard.com/filetransfer/Fetch.php

dale

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake" <[email protected]>
To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI


IPNetRouter configuration:

Interfaces:
State: Port name: Interface: IP: Mask:
(up) (glasses) Ethernet enetDRVRO 10.0.1.31 255.255.255.0
(up) AppleTalk (MacIP) ddp0 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0

Routing:
Route Type: Destination: Gateway: Interface Name:
Direct 10.0.1.0 10.0.1.31 enetDRVRO
Direct 192.168.1.0 192.168.1.1 ddp0
Direct 224.0.0.0 10.0.1.31 enetDRVRO
Default-Gateway [blank] 10.0.1.1 [blank]

Port Mapping: nothing there…not a single entry.

TCP/IP:
Performa: Ethernet
SE: Printer Port
PowerBook: Modem/Printer port

Is that what you were looking for?

On Dec 4, 12:06 pm, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote:
need to see the config panels on ipnetrouter..
just the addresses.and masks (line items)
from:
1 interfaces
2 routes
3 port mapping

and the tcp/ip panel also
on all three connected via localtalk
1 powerbook
2 6110
3 SE

browsers:
icab and IE 4.01
work just fine also

dale







----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake" <[email protected]>
To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI

Okay, so here it goes:

At the moment, I am staring at two things.
The first is my laptop screen, so I can see what I am typing as I
compose this message.
The second is my Performa 6110CD, which I was using to check my email
on gmail.

YES, I have networked my Performa 6110CD to the internet. :)
Quick recap on that hookup:
Farallon EtherMac AAUI to RJ-45 10BaseT Ethernet adapter, hooked up to
a cable modem (or more specifically, an airport extreme). Surfing
through OpenTransport (latest for system 7.6.1); TCP/IP control panel
configured to connect via Ethernet. Browser of choice (only one
available) is Netscape Navigator.
Performa booting off HD, which is actually a 80-pin UltraWide SCSI
interface, running through several adapters (80 pin -> 68pin -> 50pin)
to reach the 50 pin interface connecting to the motherboard. Other
connected SCSI devices: Apple 300Plus CD-ROM drive, HP Tape Drive, and
this is not on the chain, but a floppy drive as well (1.44MB). Cable
I'm using has a drop for one more device, should I choose to add
another.

The hurdle is almost over. Hang tight, everybody! Still need to fix a
few issues, and I have a quick (new) question. Here goes:
I cannot seem to find a correct setup to route the ethernet internet
connection to my other macs via LocalTalk. Apparently, AppleTalk and
LocalTalk connections do NOT have the ability to forward TCP packets,
so I need to "encapsulate" those TCP packets within an AppleTalk
connection. Localtalk Bridge has failed, so moving on to another piece
of software.
At the suggestions of others, I have downloaded IPNetRouter from
Sustainable Softworks. I have tried to set it up to route my ethernet
TCP/IP packets through MacIP or local talk (or something), but have
since been unsuccessful. I think I am simply not setting it up
correctly. Also, the configuration utility has failed, and I cannot
get any routing connection to work.
I have both interface connections set up in IPNetRouter, the ethernet
has IP Masquerading ON, set to an IP of 10.0.1.31 (permanently
assigned by my airport router network). From the airport (network)
side, I have tunneled incoming TCP port 4670 to route directly to the
IP address (the configuration utility requires it).
The LocalTalk interface has a starting IP of 192.168.1.1 (for the host
Performa), and the other computers have 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3
for the Powerbook and the SE, respectively. What I am I doing wrong?
Does anybody have any suggestions, or does anybody have a way of
setting it up successfully? Any help would be appreciated.

Second issue: I have an old tape drive (DDS2) that connects to my SCSI
chain. It is an old HP C1539, I think, and I cannot get Mac OS 7.6.1
to format and read from the tapes. I have tried MicroNet and Lido
software, and nothing will even acknowledge that a tape is present! It
sees the drive (Sequential-Access Tape Drive), and a model number and
other pieces of minor info, but it doesn't see the tape. Is it
possible to use an old tape drive like that as another drive? For
example, can I insert a tape into the drive, and (somehow) store files
to it like I can a hard drive?
Is it the lack of software I'm using should I be using something more
specific? If so, DL links would be appreciated!

(Also, unrelated minor note, anybody have suggestions for a good FTP
browser for system 7? I want to download some files off an FTP server,
but don't have any software. Ideas?)

Thanks for the help, everybody. I really appreciate it. Because of
everybody here, I have resurrected some old macs, and turned then from
useless scraps to working, functional, and modernized machines. *Tips
hat to everybody*.
So, I look forward to hearing your responses. Cheers!
-Jake

On Nov 27, 1:44 pm, jerrypins7 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Jake!

> Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Jake <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Okay, so here is the link to download. I suggest using cyberduck (if
> > you have a mac) to do some exploring.

> > System 6.0.3:
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk1of4.sea.bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk2of4.sea.bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk3of4.sea.bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3_Disk4of4.sea.bin
> > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.3.txt

> > System 6.0.5:
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk1of4.sea.bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk2of4.sea.bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk3of4.sea.bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5_Disk4of4.sea.bin
> > ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.5.txt

> > System 6.0.8 (1.4MB Images)
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk1of2.sea
> > .bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-1.4MB_Disk2of2.sea
> > .bin

> > System 6.0.8 (800k Images)
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk1of4.sea.
> > bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk2of4.sea.
> > bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk3of4.sea.
> > bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8-800k_Disk4of4.sea.
> > bin
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8_Info.txt

> > System 6.0.8L (for Macintosh Classic II and PowerBook 100 only)
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8L-1.4MB_Disk1of2.si
 t
> > 
ftp://[email protected]/pub/mac/sys/os/us-english/SSW_6.0.8L-1.4MB_Disk2of2.si
 t

> > Enjoy!
> > -Jake

> > On Nov 25, 12:07 pm, jerrypins7 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Can anyone supply me with a copy of 6.0.8 for my SE or direct me > > >> >> where
> >> I can get that OS (currently running on 6.0.4)? Also, I can't get
> >> connected to my third-party external hard drive. Any suggestions?

> >> Sent from my iPhone

> >> On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Jake <[email protected]> wrote:

> >>> Okay, so I have been a mad scientist trying to build a network for > >>> > >>> my
> >>> vintage macs. I thought it would be good to give a current
> >>> configuration of my machines and systems before I ask my next
> >>> question. Here goes!

> >>> Macintosh SE:
> >>> System: OS 7 (6.0.8 via floppy if necessary)
> >>> HD: 6gb (4 partitions) IDE drive. Converted to SCSI using an > >>> > >>> R-IDSC-E/
> >>> R chip.
> >>> Working ADB keyboard and mouse. (+1 adb trackpad I own)
> >>> Floppy: Two 1.4mb drives (running for 800k due to ROM issues)
> >>> Two serial ports, one DB25, two ADB, one DB19.

> >>> Macintosh Performa 6110CD(Power Mac 6110):
> >>> No HD (bought a 9gb scsi drive...coming in mail soon)
> >>> One floppy drive (1.4mb)
> >>> One cd-rom drive (not working too well...don't know why...could be
> >>> some driver issues)
> >>> Working keyboard and mouse (adb)
> >>> Working VGA display (using a hdi-45 to db15 cable and a Griffin PNP
> >>> display adapter)
> >>> Two serial ports, one db25 port, one adb port, one AAUI Ethernet > > >>> >>> port

> >>> PowerBook 1400cs:
> >>> HD: 750mb
> >>> OS: 7.5.3
> >>> Hot swappable 800k/1.44mb floppy and cd-rom drives
> >>> One serial port
> >>> Built in keyboard and trackpad
> >>> One adb port
> >>> No working battery

> >>> Newton eMate 300:
> >>> Standard configuration
> >>> No power supply
> >>> Battery is shot (completely dead)
> >>> Been charging with a dc power adapter actually made for my home > > >>> >>> phone
> >>> system...seems to turn it on fine.

> >>> Okay, so that is the current configuration of my machines. I also > > >>> >>> have
> >>> purchased the following:
> >>> 3 farallon Phonenet minidin8 adapters
> >>> 1 AAUI to Ethernet adapter
> >>> Assorted cables for the whole network...

> >>> Okay, so moving on. I was planning to use the Performa as a bridge
> >>> machine to allow for Internet to pass through. After all, it does > > >>> >>> have
> >>> LocalTalk and Ethernet access. However, my issue came when I was
> >>> trying to figure out how to configure it. The machine has no HD at > >>> > >>> the
> >>> moment, and the HD it had was shot anyway.
> >>> How can I get system software (<7.5.x) onto the new HD when it
> >>> arrives? I have thought floppy, but I cannot seem to find > >>> compatible > >>> software that would allow me to get onto floppy disks. The only > > >>> >>> system > >>> software I found was a 19-part download on apple's website, but > >>> that > >>> just mounted (on the PowerBook) as a ~50mb folder or something. > > >>> >>> Inside > >>> was an installer app. Obviously I cannot divide that into floppies, > >>> > >>> as
> >>> no actual disks were inside. Suggestions?

> >>> Also, what is a good piece of software to act as a bridge to allow > >>> > >>> the
> >>> incoming Ethernet TCP/IP packets over the AppleTalk network? I know
> >>> that natively you cannot send TCP over LocalTalk, but using 3rd > > >>> >>> party
> >>> software or hardware you can.
> >>> Also, in case that fails, what is a good piece of hardware that > >>> will > >>> allow for an Ethernet Internet "provider" over Phonenet? I have set > >>> > >>> up
> >>> a Phonenet network (connected the computers via a LocalTalk serial
> >>> connection), and I know that there is hardware

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