exactly right.
the only thing Apple did not do was translate AppleTalk to Tcp/Ip..
should have said 'translate AppleTalk protocol to tcp/ip protocol'..
still was AppleTalk/Ethertalk on Ethernet...
if you look at the data stream with a line monitor you can see the AppleTalk
protocol on top of layer 2 Ethernet.
dale
---- Original Message -----
From: "Doug McNutt" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI
At 16:47 -0500 12/8/11, Scott Holder wrote:
On 08.12.2011 16:14, dale-gmail wrote:
<snip>
Apple did NOT setup/build a software bridge to connect/translate
AppleTalk protocol to Ethernet protocol.
all their software (apple ip gateway and apple localtalk gateway)
only connects the AppleTalk
protocol from/to localtalk from/to Ethernet. (I think that's all that
is done)..
I'm slightly puzzled by this because it appears contradictory, but the
specific point of Localtalk Bridge was to bridge Appletalk from
Serial/Localtalk to Ethernet/Ethertalk. I've used it successfully to get
old Macs filesharing to newer ones.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1258?viewlocale=en_US
As you say, though, MacIP is a different thing, but it still uses
Appletalk. It's a confusing mess since Apple used a lot of different names
for the same thing, and a lot of the same names for different things.
(Appletalk is the protocol, Localtalk is Appletalk on serial, Ethertalk is
Appletalk on Ethernet, IRTalk is Appletalk over Infrared, MacIP is IP over
Appletalk...).
Scott
Yep. It's a confusing mess.
AppleTalk over Ethernet was once the way to go. Asante made a converter box
that was mostly used for printers but would work for general connections for
most things.
As of 10.4.0, Tiger, OS neXt machines could no longer talk to AppleTalk file
servers using any kind of converter. It was deliberate and it has not been
reconsidered. Tiger can use the same connections to talk to AppleTalk
printers but not to your SE/30 file server.
MacIP for those older machines is well supported by Stairways Software, the
folks who gave us Anarchie and then Interarchy. NetPresenz works well on
the likes of OS 7.5 to act as an HTTP or FTP server that can be seen by
Tiger and above on Ethernet wiring. But if you want to send files from the
OS neXt machine you cannot use Finder_GoToServer to do it even if you have
proper passwords. With Terminal.app you can use curl or raw FTP. There
probably are FTP clients on the open source market that can do the job but
Apple itself does not thing that's safe.
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