At 12:25 PM -0700 9/22/01, Kyle Hansen wrote:
>Here�s the real deal Steve. Let this put this OT stuff to rest ok?
Don't you mean, "Let me have the last word"?
>With war looming, Atheists and believers of alternate faiths are
>sucking on the
>candlelight vigils, prayer circles and yet another rendition of �God Bless
I believe that candle vigils do nothing to help the situation. I
didn't go to any. I'm sorry to hear that you were forced to go to
one.
>America� and trying to keep our mouths closed as people blame other religions
>(Islam) for these attacks. In trying times like these, people always look for
>calm in their religious symbols, be it God, Allah, Buddha or Joe
>Montana. I don�t
>blame people for the comfort faith brings them. It's the exclusion
>of all things
>secular that pisses me off, especially when it seems many flag-wavers and
Wow. First you are pissed off at inclusion. Now, you are pissed
off at Exclusion. I think you are just pissed off.
>head-bowers now are equating patriotism with piety. That just isn�t the case.
>More than 15% of our society (and this list) are Atheists. Similar
>to the amount
>of people that use Mac�s versus PC�s. If a PC user was ranting over and over
>about their operating system it would piss you off. I guarantee that. Think
>about the way you feel when some PC geek is telling you how great
>their new AMD
>Athlon processor is. Ok. That�s how I feel. That�s why the term �heathen�
They are always ranting about their operating systems. When they
do, I agree with them. But when they tell me how great it is, I
point out where they are wrong, but I don't get pissed off about it.
>offended me. All the heartfelt "God Bless America" renditions, all
>the scripture
>read at vigils makes us that are non religious feel alienated. Where are we to
>grieve? Just when it seems like a group of people is gathering together to
There were more times that talk of the attacks had no mention of
religion than not. You got the bulk of the time. Or do you want the
media to set assign 15% of broadcast time, ".. and now, for the
atheistic point of view, we'll make no mention of gods, deities,
fate, or faith for the next 17.65 minutes".
>grieve for this horrible situation OUT COME THE BIBLES. And every
>time a Jerry
>Falwell type suggests the faithless had a hand in the tragedy, I feel that my
Jerry Falwell is a jerk and does not represent a significant
percentage of any religious group. Don't measure the majority by his
empty words.
>patriotism is under attack. If prayer works for people, great, do
>it, but don't
>exclude us atheists in the grand scheme. We're American and just as
>patriotic as
>anyone. I served in combat twice for this country, and I feel that
>in the eyes of
>many I am nothing, because I am not a Christian. I feel the hatred.
>It bothers
>me.
You feel hatred because you chose to. The mere reminder than most
people do you share in your atheism bothers you. This is painfully
clear in your reaction to the use of the word "heathen" - even when
it was used in a positive way.
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"Windows is a paradox. For all its ubiquity, it has few diehard fans,
unlike its . . . rival, the Macintosh operating system. Tens of
millions use Windows, but few get excited about it."
--Walter Mossberg (of The Wall Street Journal) in the Santa Cruz
Sentinal, November 4, 1996.
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"... and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear ALL
of us soon."
George W. Bush 14-Sep-2001
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