Not to mention that ethanol from corn is the very worst possible 
"biofuel" we could be making - it takes more energy to make than it 
delivers, wastes cropland, water, and unless the US government continues 
huge subsidies - meaning your taxes are being used to make it so cheap - 
it would cost more than straight gasoline. Look at this: 
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080503/biofuels_compare.gif
main page: http://pl.reddit.com/info/6j2dl/comments/

It's all political, so we don't have to drill in the Alaskan Mosquito 
Preserve and disturb a few polar bears, maybe.

Chuck Kuecker


marc vellat wrote:
> Ethanol does indeed have a higher octane (resistance
> to self-ignition) than gasoline but it also provides
> substantially less energy per gallon so you need to
> burn more of it to get equivalent power from the same
> engine. Modern "flex-fuel" EFI engines are able to
> automatically adjust the fuel/air ratio depending upon
> what's in the tank at any given moment, but a
> carburetor can't perform that trick - you'd need to
> increase the fuel jet sizes by 30% or so over what's
> needed for straight gasoline to keep from running
> dangerously lean. Problem here is that "E85"
> encompasses all mixtures from nearly 100% gasoline to
> 15% gasoline, so without a reliable consistent supply
> it'd be impossible to run fixed jetting.
> Another issue is that alcohol can be corrosive to some
> types of rubber used in the fuel system (the
> accelerator pump diaphragm, for example).
> It is possible to recoup the power lost from the lower
> BTU/gal by raising the compression ratio (the high
> octane makes that feasible) but an engine assembled
> that way will never be able to safely run straight
> pump gasoline again.
> If you live in a region where E85 is readily available
> and can be counted on to always be right around 85%
> alcohol, you could jet your carburetor to run on it
> but your MPG will be significantly lower unless you
> also build the engine with a much higher compression
> ratio.
> Figuring upon about 30% worse mileage, $2.79 compares
> to around $3.63 for gasoline. It might still be less
> expensive per mile, but you will need to rejet and
> even then the power output will be commensurately
> lower - it'd take a much larger cost/mile differential
> before I'd be enticed to fool with it, personally.
>
> --- Timothy Osburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I was on vacation in my Bus last week and ran into
>> some gas stations that had E85 ethanol for
>> $2.79/gal. It was rated at 100 octane! I am
>> surmising this fuel would not be a go in our old
>> air-cooled engines. Would I be correct and can
>> anyone tell me what it might do to the engine if you
>> ran it?
>>  Tim Osburn, Head Mechanic, Ralph Spoilsport Motors.
>>     

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