Amann,

I do respect your opinion but, please allow me to respectfully say that you are 
all wet.  What you are saying is that it is worth nothing to lock the phone. 
Anyone knows that, no matter how many locks you have on your house, you will 
never stop an experienced burglar from getting in. I have an alarm system on my 
apartment and I always lock my door when I leave.  I often analyze how easily a 
professional could get in here if he or she really wanted to come in. Do you 
really think that everyone who has an alarm system on their house absolutely 
believe that nobody can go in?  We all know but its an extra layer of 
protection that keeps the punks out.  Same thing with your phone. Punks won't 
be able to get into your phone but an experienced hacker will always find the 
way but, if they are that good, its not worth the investment of their time for 
such a small item. A pro would go into a store for its diamonds but he won't 
risk coming into my place for a computer and a TV.  

        Ron & Danvers
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Iphones no longer secure

Hi,

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with a number of your points. You said:

On 4/26/15, Aman Singer <[email protected]> wrote:
> A smartphone is nothing more or less than a computer. The 
> passcode/fingerprint is simply security theatre, it makes things look 
> secure and may be secure against someone who doesn't have Google, but 
> it is not secure in fact. Once the phone is in the hands of someone 
> who wants and is willing to bypass the security, nothing is secure in 
> fact, it only depends on how much trouble the attacker is willing to 
> go to.
Not security theater at all. If you are seriously insinuating that a casual 
Google search will allow your run of the mill mugger to bypass your passcode 
and or touch ID in a way that allows them to access your data then I'd be very 
interested in hearing some specifics. Lets not forget that the hardware hack 
that got a lot of media attention a month or so ago no longer works.
As a side note, I'd wager that my iPhone is more secure than your average 
computer due to the amount of control that Apple has at a very low level.
> This is one of the reasons why I have no passcode on my phone, it 
> offers very little extra security but does offer an inconvenience when 
> I want to unlock the phone. I do not keep any secure data on my phone, 
> any data that I object to the public having access to, simply because 
> the chance of theft is too high and, as we see, the passcode is not of 
> much use.
Whilst I agree that to a certain extent where there's a will there's a way, 
unless you've been annoying any 4 letter agencies, I personally feel that 
saying that a passcode offers very little extra security is incorrect. Lets not 
forget that the workaround that was posted to the list has now been proven to 
be ineffective.
Additionally, with all due respect, whilst we could debate the definition of 
secure data, I'd wager that you might not be aware of quite how much data iOS 
stores without making it overly clear to you.
For example, do you really consider your wireless network password/s, where 
you've traveled to and any contact information data that you wouldn't mind 
sharing with the public?

Cheers,
Ben.

> Aman
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