On 08/15/2015 07:28 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
If you've read about all this tech that people have brought out of their head, like that lovely $300 20-cell display people were talking about, that always wind up never actually being made, you'd see why I'm reluctant to embrace any "cheap braille" talk like this. Yes I love braille. I wouldn't be typing in braille on my phone and hoping to save up for any braille display I can get if I didn't. The fact is though, I've seen plenty "projects" to help us poor blind people come and go, and have learned not to get my hopes up.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 14, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: I'd suggest you do a bit more research before jumping to such conclusions. I doubt you have any idea whether this company worked with blind people in the research and development of this product or not. Your comments seem to indicate that you haven't done much reading on this device, and obviously, you haven't seen it in action yet. As others have said, a 12 or 14 cell braille display won't be as mobile as a watch. Just because you don't see how such a device would be useful doesn't mean there aren't others out there who wouldn't find this device beneficial. Luckily there are smart engineers out there who don't listen to such uninformed negativity and don't just assume it's impossible to come up with a braille smart watch. It's a good thing Apple engineers didn't listen to all of the blind nay sayers who said a touch screen could never be used by the blind. For me, I say put your smart guys on it, bring me your good ideas, and I'll buy it if I think it's worth it or I'll move on if I don't. Either way, all blind people will have more options and more choices.On 08/14/2015 12:01 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Companies are getting more stupid every day. Rule 1. Contact actual blind people before making something, or all you'll do is make yourself look incredibly stupid. Now, if you want to make braille, make an 18 cell or even 14 cell device for mobile, and 40 or 32 for computer usage. Want to make the price go down? Make a braille display with 12 cells for less than $100 and you'll gain my respect as Apple has. But until then, braille, my precious, we must be apart in the digital age. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:My own opinion, since that seems to be the thing for this thread, is that four cells is just not enough. Even assuming spaces don't matter, imagine trying to read a hundred-character message or tweet? Unless there's an ingenious panning solution in this watch, I can't imagine how whacking the "Advance" button twenty-five times would be efficient. Of course, I'd love to try this thing out, as the price is low for what it is, and I'm just intrigued. I'm also very skeptical that this will prove useful. It seems easier to just leave a small braille display hooked on your belt or over your shoulder, if braille is important to you. After all, would that not provide the same kind of silent notification/reply options that a smart watch can? I'm not sure.On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Kerri G <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Still further, for my 3 cents worth, which you are also getting for free, grin, if you are navigating with your guide dog or cane, you have to stop, put the harness or cane in the other hand and read your smart watch, this is one time I prefer siri or Talk back or voice over. We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thinking this out a little further, can you wear a 20 cell display on your wrist? I’m not going to buy one, but just like the apple watch, (which I am also not going to buy,) you are paying for the convenience. Just my two cents worth, which you are getting for free, grin. Richard *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Larry Lumpkin *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:36 AM *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> *Subject:* RE: A Braille Smart Watch? Let’s think this out. At 4 cells for $300, when you look at 20 cells, you’re back in the price range of what you can get a 20-cell display for. *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:24 PM *To:* ViPone list <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> *Subject:* A Braille Smart Watch? I know nothing more than what is in the article below. This was in an Email I received today from the National Braille Press. I thought some folks might be interested. The link to the article is at the end. Now The Blind Can Read Texts On This New Braille Smartwatch Giving the blind one more technological tool to make life easier By Alexandra Ossola Posted July 28, 2015 now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch# Touchscreens are not conducive to the blind as they cannot see the shifting pixels on the smooth device. That has not only slowed down the technological literacy for the blind, but has also impaired their reading literacy, cutting them off from most information that isn't published in print. Some tech companies have found workarounds, like having Siri read texts or creating braille e-readers, but they are often clunky and expensive. A South Korean startup company may have finally found a solution. They created Dot , the first braille smartwatch, complete with shifting cells of dots. This inexpensive gadget could help the blind catch up to the age of smartwatches, the sales of which have increased 475 percent in the last year thanks to the Apple Watch. But it could also be used as an educational tool. “Until now, if you got a message on iOS from your girlfriend, for example, you had to listen to Siri read it to you in that voice, which is impersonal,” Dot CEO Eric Ju Yoon Kim told Tech in Asia . “Wouldn’t you rather read it yourself and hear your girlfriend’s voice saying it in your head?” The Dot wearable looks like a cross between a Fitbit and a Pebble Time, Alphr notes . On its face, it has four cells each with six active dots, which can raise or lower to make four braille letters at a time. It links up with Bluetooth to convert text from apps like iMessage into their braille letter equivalents with the user’s voice commands. The device can last for five days without stopping to charge. One key feature of the Dot wearable is its cost. Unlike braille e-readers, which can cost thousands of dollars, the device is slated to cost less than $300 when it hits the U.S. market in December. But Dot envisions bringing braille beyond the wrist. The inventors have tested braille screen modules at ATMs and train stations, programming them to display information that regularly changes, such as account balances or train schedules. After the wearable’s launch in December, the startup will shift towards the public sector, which it anticipates could be its largest market. http://www.popsci.com/now-blind-can-read-texts-shifting-braille-smartwatch -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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