I agree we should let Apple know about things that need fixing or improving on the iPhone. As you said, Apple won't know what to fix or change if they don't hear from us. I've sent many a suggestion to the Apple feedback site and accessibility related issues to their accessibility mailing list.

I won't be sending in a message about the abbreviation expansion though, since as I said, it doesn't bother me personally.

What I didn't understand, and where we may not agree, is that I don't think it makes sense to mention the American's with Disabilities Act when talking about the abbreviation expansion. I don't think it's an employment issue. I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to say or not though.

On 27/12/15 18:23, Paul Richard McGann wrote:
mr. chaltain,

I apologize to this, but it is my last effort. like I have no idea what
naunce is as I am deafblind myself. but like I said the quote: yo can
see me but I can't see you...I can see yo but you can't see me.  it
doesn't mean about our visions. but I am talking about reading minds.
you don't see what I know and I don't see what yo know.

apple officials and technicians at apple stores did say if there are
problems keep notifying apple headfquarter more often and they would do
their best to improve to satisfy you  how will apple know that yo are
not happy about something? mr. turner did talk with apple accessiblity
and sorted out. that is wonderful.I only give yo the note what apple
officials said to me in past saying that they would be happy if any
blind people can notify some issues, then they would fix the problems.
they can't be so sure if some work and some are not working. I hope this
helps you.

or even, go to apple store and show techniciian as tecyhnician can see
the problem and technician file report. same with me showing up at apple
store and let tecnician seeing for himself and he saw what happened and
he tried his and realized the problems. same with technicians who are
authorized by apple at att store, verizon store, best buy, and other
stores.

are yo going to contact with apple accessiblity to share your feedback???

respectfully,
rich


-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I disagree that there's nothing Apple can do. Apple can definitely work
with Nuance to get a toggle added as to whether abbreviations are
expanded or not, and then Apple can include a setting for this toggle in
VoiceOver settings. I suspect Apple has quite a bit of influence with
Nuance, and Nuance would listen to Apple when it comes to a feature
request.

I find it just an inconvenience myself, and I have other things I'd
rather have Apple address which I consider a higher priority, so I wont'
be dropping a note to Apple accessibility myself.

On 27/12/15 17:08, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
I agree with Gordon. Unfortunately there's nothing Apple really can
do, Nuance programs these voices. I'd bug them about it if it bothers
you. On my end, I use Alex on my phone and he says things correctly.
The only time he says gigabyte is if I put a number before it. For
example, 2 gb.

Shawn
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On Dec 27, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Paul Richard McGann
<[email protected]> wrote:

to all,

as the people at apple store and few officials for apple
headquarters, they keep telling me that it is very important for al
of you to notify apple accessibility team as team would give note to
the engineers and developers who would follow your needs.

I have given some suggestions for braille users, and also there are
other things. plese don't hold  back to yourself. open up and speak
out to apple yourself. they need your help.

it would be very helpful if yo share your views and your thoughts. it
would be easier.

remember the quote: you can see me but I can't see you...I can see
you but you can't see me.

same idea, apple officials don't know what you know and you don't
know what they know. so please be more helpful.

respectfully,
rich


-----Original Message----- From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

I wrote Apple Accessibility about this earlier today.  I'd suggest
everyone who would like VoiceOver to stop guessing at abbreviations
would write them as well and ask them to either stop it completely or
provide an exception dictionary that we can use to fix pronunciations.
Write to: [email protected]
\
Looking at baseball, AL for American League, gets pronounced Alabama.
Cal as a first name gets pronounced California and so on.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 2:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hello Kevin,

This happens to me, also.

The other day, I was trying to locate a friend of mine in my
contacts, whose name is Al Jones.  I couldn’t find him until I
realized that VoiceOver was pronouncing his name as Alabama Jones.  I
felt so stupid and then got a little miffed at VoiceOver for trying
to do too much.

I wonder if there is a workaround for this?

(smile)

Mark


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: I wish VoiceOver didn't try to pronounce what it thinks
abbriviations mean, but it can be humorous.

Hi.

I was in the NFL Mobile app on my iPhone 5C running the latest iOs.
I wanted to hear the game between Arizona and Green Bay.  I got
there, and was selecting the feed I wanted.  The app gives you
updates about who has the ball, and where it is on the field.  They
use abbreviations for the teams. GB was used for Green Bay.  I was
navigating through the info on the screen, and was surprised to hear
the ball was on the gigabytes 25. I know whoever is programming
VoiceOver to give information means well, but I wish they’d just let
abbreviations say their letters.  VoiceOver isn’t the only one who
does this.  I never knew, for example about Hartford, Court, or my
Physician was Drive Johnson.  Oh well, it is humorous in a way, but
there is sometimes too much of a good thing.

Just thought I’d share this observation.

Have a good day, and don’t work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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