Hi Rose, I agree completely, in an ideal world Apple would do all they can to provide the screenreader companies with the tools to make iTunes beautifully accessible and they would work with them well in advance so that once a version is released this is all done, tested and functioning. Microsoft more or less does this since for some time now Jaws had an updated version available when a new version of Windows was released on or before the release. Of course in the past these Windows updates came once every several years and were in the works for a long time unlike iTunes which may release a major update, i.e. version 10, 11, 12 etc. But iTunes has these in between updates which sometimes seem to be changing the look and feel as in this 12.4 version. Anyhow, all we can do is write to Apple Accessibility and tell them about the issues, ask them to deal with them and let them know (in a constructive way) that they really need to address these things before and not after. I do say "in a constructive way" because simply expressing your frustration won't help and they are less likely to take such messages seriously.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 8:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? If you are correct then Apple should inform FS about new changes and give them time to make it accessible the day it is offered to the public, we should not have to wait, wait and wait for a solution. We are productive people also, and if something breaks our ability to do what we need we become less productive! Rose Combs [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 7:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Hi Ari, I beg to differ a bit on this, yes, I think it is of course the responsibility of Apple to make sure iTunes has accessibility, but it is also the job of screenreader makers to make sure the experience is the best it can be especially with such a popular piece of software. Without scripts for screenreaders the experience we have with many popular software packages would not be what it is if we only relied on what the makers of said software are doing. Can you imagine web browsers without the functionality in place for navigating by headings, finding buttons, edit fields, links etc. These elements are there and part of HTML, but the ability to access them with quick navigation keys or being able to pull them into a simple list is exclusively because of the work done by Jaws and other screenreaders and not because Microsoft or Firefox has done this. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 3:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? Sorry, but it's not the job of the screen reader manufacturers to make iTunes accessible, it's Apple's; from what I've been hearing about the latest iTunes update, they've failed rather spectacularly regarding accessibility. Doing anything with apps has been a problem in iTunes 12 from the beginning. Ringtones still work like they used to, and I wish apps would go back to being checkboxes that you could check or uncheck, and then hit the apply button to sync or remove them from your device. Also, file sharing in iTunes 12 has gotten really, really crappy! Thanks, Ari > On May 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > I spent quite some time using iTunes 12.4 on my Windows 10 laptop with the > latest version of Jaws. I must say that, while some aspects of iTunes remain > somewhat accessible, my experience was definitely disappointing. > > Now I say this realizing that one's mileage may vary depending upon how they > use iTunes. > > I was certainly able to obtain and manage various resources from within > iTunes but the overall experience was, somehow deflating, to say the least. > > Having said this, I have full confidence in the developers of both Jaws and > Window Eyes to step up to the proverbial plate on this and smooth out the > rough-edges. > > I am sadden, however, at the fact that those of us who use Windows > screen-readers can so easily lose access to what has become a vital tool even > with all of this so-called marvelous technology around us. > > I am not going to get on my soapbox, here, but this kind of thing is exactly > what motivated me to purchase my first Mac 7 years ago. > > I am not trying to convert anyone, I'm just saying. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Rick Alfaro > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hi Mark. Perhaps visually, it may look like the old sidebar but from a screen > reader's perspective unless I'm missing something, it doesn't feel like the > old sidebar at all and I am not in the phone view. The sidebar is enabled > but not even close IMHO. In addition, several lists are broken where focused > isn't being voiced as you arrow throught them. > > > > Best regards, > > Rick Alfaro > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: iTunes SideBar, Anyone? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries Mailing List. > > I am so surprised that no one has mentioned the return of the iTunes SideBar > in iTunes 12.4. (smile) > > If you didn't know it, it's back and looks almost like it did in iTunes 11 > and earlier. > > Yep, it's true. 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