Hi,
Reading the emails now i can see people wrote about the KNFB reader offer
quite a lot but I was busy during the last couple of weeks and did not have
time to read emails, I just look through the subject headings and deleted
the ones I was not interested in, of course all the subject heading just
said KNFB reader and not KNFB reader offer or sale on or anything so I
missed the crucial date. So I am just asking people to be more precise and
if there is a sale on for a popular app to say in the subject heading sale
on or offer or something so people can immediately tell there is an offer on
rather than just miss an offer because they didn't have time to read emails
just then.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation
Husna
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From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
Krister and others,
I'll add to Sieghard's already helpful instructions. Try getting a piece of
paper you know is white with black text for scanning with Knfb reader. Place
it on a table you know is dark in a room with good lighting. After you place
the iPhone on top of the paper with the rear facing camera in the center of
the page, slowly lift the phone to the height Sieghard suggested which is
about 8 inches for me. Now place two fingers on the field of view button on
the right side of the Knfb main screen. Gently lift one of those two fingers
while leaving the other one in contact with the screen. The field of view
picture should take using this split finger method with a bare minimum of
phone movement. If your page has good contrast with its background and your
lighting is good, I'm thinking you might get your first field of view report
where all four corners are seen. You can use this same split finger method
when taking the actual picture scan.
Best of luck and please keep trying.
Alan Lemly
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On Jul 2, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Krister,
I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across
this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was
simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list
regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to
explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal
and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the
German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in
my class had such poor O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6
foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and
hours of O&M training but simply had no sense of direction or special
awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my
sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of
course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and
was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so
balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely
hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself
it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it
difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to
do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
Regards,
Sieghard
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't
understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my
fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not
say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the
least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to
understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the
flaming i'll get.
/Krister
Skickat från min iPhone
2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>:
But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
/Krister
Skickat från min iPhone
2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <[email protected]>:
Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight,
hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it
free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
Thanks for the info
/Krister
Skickat från min iPhone
2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>:
Krista,
Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't
the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to
try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of
getting good results.
Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to
say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on
this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using
the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not
agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because
many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips
and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having someone
with you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to get
started. also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice
like mad before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader
just worked out of the box in my case.
feel free to ask for ideas,
Sandy
sent from the dark side of the moon
On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv
reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the
hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I
have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten
any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text.
/Krister
Skickat från min iPhone
2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>:
Hi Gordon,
I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both
she and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back,
using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but
we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a
good over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out,
or rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its
hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to
then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I
would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off"
of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing
on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I
swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly
liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the
targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but
now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even
light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for
taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success.
I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a
sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special
effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of
myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one
to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him
mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get
results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting
on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is
faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more
accurate!!)
I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen
before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the
camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list,
have achieved equal results, having never seen!
Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I
could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be
necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks
a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too
much spacial awareness.
Just my twopence worth.
Sandy.
sent from the dark side of the moon
On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have
had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with
KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the
difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was
able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen
nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This
helps me understand how to use apps with the camera.
Cheers,
Anne
On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind
people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a
ferrytale to me.
I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and
Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps.
Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial
results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and
now has in-app purchases for translations.
Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else
there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble
opinion.
S poštovanjem
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1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la:
Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably.
Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed
page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud,
generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make
sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document
correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed
on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side
with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB
performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines
of garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader
also, but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty
aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think
there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB
Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a
reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document
you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but
there’s a free, ad-supported version.
I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes
Store and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but
I wasn’t offered a refund.
Hope this helps,
Grant
On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live
Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but
the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment
though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot
and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me,
and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks
for your thoughts in advance.
Joe
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