Exactly, the majority of users will not have a mobile phone for 4 let alone 5 years. Those who do and for whom the phone still works for the most part couldn't care less if they are getting another year or two out of their phone being on the older version of the software.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE Is this really Apple's rule? I couldn't find anything on line with a quick web search. I remember everyone was surprised when Apple continued to support the 4S with IOS 9, which would have been four years and not five, if the 4S would have stopped at IOS 8. Whether it's a rule or not, and whether it's four or five years, Apple's support for older hardware is truly outstanding in the mobile space. I would agree that if you're worried about whether you get an IOS upgrade or the SE in 2020 then you should wait to see what the fall brings. As Sieghard says though, the SE will still work on the last version of IOS it supports even if you can't move up to the next version. Also, how many people hold on to their smart phones that long in the first place? I've seen us 4S users on this list get responses that we should just upgrade, even when asking questions that have nothing to do with the 4S and it's hardware. On 27/08/16 08:37, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Knowing that this is Apple's rule at this point it doesn't mean this will > change. Also, if somebody who couldn't care less about the latest features > had an iPhone 4S which still worked well for what they are doing they can > still use it for years to come with iOS 9.3.5. Of course the reality is that > a device that is 5 or 6 or even 7 years old will most likely need a new > battery and why pay for that if you could get whatever iPhone is free on > contract. The exception here would be somebody who maybe is happy to use the > iPhone 4S with a prepaid service or with a low-cost MVNO. My Mom has an iPad > 2 from 2011 which also will not get iOS 10 this year. She already asked me if > she could still use it and I said that of course she can since while it is a > bit slow compared to new devices, it is still going strong. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Kelly Pierce > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE > > Missing from this discussion is that Apple stops providing upgrade ability to > iPhones after five years. The SE is based on 2015 technology and likely > cannot accept the new iOS in 2020. The iPhone 7 will likely not be able to > receive a new iOS in 2021, based on past Apple practice. For example, the 4s > will not be able to accept iOS 10 that will be out later this year. > > Kelly > > On 8/26/16, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >> I just wonder what Apple's long term plans are. Are they going to >> eventually sync the SE up with the rest of the IOS products or are >> they going to continue to have multiple hardware releases in the year? >> I can see where a spring release might take some of the thunder away >> from the other smart phone manufacturers who line their product >> releases up with the show in Barcelona, but I also know that >> operating system development is more complicated when you have to support >> different hardware schedules. >> >> On 26/08/16 22:12, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> Some people may be mad, but as Christopher said, it's up to >>> everybody to do their research. There will also be a lot of users >>> who are not super technical users who couldn't care less if a new >>> smaller form factor phone were released. They may hear about it in a >>> news article from a major news outlet, but the fact is that a large >>> majority of people are users who do not necessarily follow each Apple Event. >>> Anyhow, when it comes down to it Apple couldn't care less if they >>> made 10% of their user base mad, after all, they did this with the >>> iPad a few years ago. Also, for whatever it's worth, I don't think >>> they are going to release a new 4 inch phone in September, at this >>> point there would be many more rumours and some of which from >>> sources who in the past have been very credible and there are no such >>> rumours. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:04 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE >>> >>> Well, Apple did not release the iPhone SE when it released its other >>> phones last fall. It waited several months before doing so. And, >>> when the phone was released, there was a major back up, so people >>> waited weeks before getting their phones. That is fairly typical for >>> Apple phone releases, and they admitted that they underestimated the >>> demand for this particular phone. So, you have a case where people >>> just purchased phone maybe in June or July, and here we are in >>> September almost, traditional iPhone release time. If Apple releases >>> a new SE now in sync with all of its other phone releases, I think >>> the folks who purchased their phones recently are going to be upset. >>> You know, Apple, why didn't you release this phone last fall with >>> all of the others? Why did you wait over half a year, then release the >>> phone, and right on top of it, release another one? >>> That's why I figure people would not be happy. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Christopher Chaltain >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Why are you saying people would be hopping mad if Apple came out >>>> with an upgraded smaller form factor phone just six months after the SE >>>> came out? >>>> Are you talking about the same people who get mad when something >>>> goes on sale after they paid full price for it? I never got this >>>> reasoning since this would mean the only way to make everyone happy >>>> is to never put something on sale. I'd assume anyone who knows >>>> Apple knows they release new phones in the fall, so I'd think >>>> anyone who bought an SE would know that there would be a chance >>>> Apple might include a smaller form factor phone in this fall's line >>>> up. I don't think Apple would ever promise not to refresh a phone >>>> model any more frequently than once a year. I also don't see what >>>> anyone who has an SE would be missing out on if Apple upgraded the specs >>>> of the SE this fall. >>>> >>>>> On 26/08/16 11:42, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>> Christine said she preferred, or at least liked the smaller screen. >>>>> I can't imagine Apple introducing a new small screen model. a lot >>>>> of people who just bought an iPhone SE are going to be hopping mad >>>>> if they do. Not that making people mad has stopped Apple from >>>>> doing things in the past. Smile. >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This may also depend on whether you want the larger screen, more >>>>>> than likely, the iphone 7 will have a larger screen as the 6 and >>>>>> 6 plus do, not sure if Apple will have a newer SE version with >>>>>> the iphone 7 specs, so if you want the smaller screen, the iphone >>>>>> SE might be a good choice, should be interesting to see what Apple >>>>>> introduces though. >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hello Christine, >>>>>> >>>>>>> Were I you, given the situation as you have described it, this >>>>>>> is to say, you have access to an interim phone to use until the >>>>>>> release of iPhone 7, I would recommend that you wait until >>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>> 7 is released before using your upgrade privileges. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Christine Grassman >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:03 AM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Need opinions about waiting for iPhone 7 or getting SE >>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any reason to wait a few weeks to use my upgrade >>>>>>> toward an iPhone 7, based on what is known? My iPHone 6 was >>>>>>> brutally victimized by a car backing up today, and I am now >>>>>>> faced with using my upgrade for an SE, or using my daughter’s >>>>>>> old 5C until the iPHone 7 comes out. I don’t want the hassle of >>>>>>> syncing two new phones in rather quick succession, so I am >>>>>>> trying to figure out whether to just get the SE (I like the smaller >>>>>>> screen), or wait and see with the iPHone 7. >>>>>>> From what I’m able to gather, the main features of interest >>>>>>> involve improved camera, which I do not care about, and unless >>>>>>> there are any amazing features or improvements, I figure I may >>>>>>> as well wait for the ten-year anniversary for Apple to wow me. >>>>>> >>>>>>> In short: 1. Take my daughter’s old 5C for a few weeks; or 2. >>>>>>> Use my upgrade, get the SE, and wait for next year because the 7 >>>>>>> isn’t worth wasting my upgrade or extra money. >>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA. >>>>>>> Christine >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>>>> iPhone list. >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>>>> iPhone list. >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, >>>>>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than >>>>>>> posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is >>>>>>> Cara Quinn - 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