Argument aside, I find I can navigate and type on a desktop keyboard much quicker and efficiently than on any kind of handheld without physical keys. It's just what we got used to. I finally bought a full-size bluetooth to try on an iPad Mini, still trying, iOs navigation just isn't as simple as using the arrow keys like it used to be. So I can never understand the developer claims it is all in the interest of efficiency. Sure, you can do more when not at a desk; that, I admit, is progress.
BobH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 12:31 AM Subject: PC's versus smart phones [WAS was Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC"] First of all, no where did I say that you said we can't handle emails on our smart phones. You don't want to be taken out of context, so please extend that courtesy to others on the list as well. In fact, what you did say, and I quote, is "... with a computer you will be doing the same thing in seconds, instead hours." All I said in my email, which you can read below, is that this is an exaggeration and is only your experience and your opinion. If you can read, reply to, file and delete a hundred message on your PC in a few seconds then that's great, and you are infinitely more proficient with email on your PC than I am. On the other hand if it takes you hours to read, reply to, move and delete a hundred emails on your smart phone then you're either doing some complicated email formatting like Seeghard describes, or I'm a lot more proficient when it comes to handling email on a smart phone then you are. In fact, there are some tasks I prefer to do on my iPhone. For example, if I'm going to read, delete and move a bunch of emails at work, I'll do that on my iPhone before I'll do that in Outlook on my PC. I just find that Outlook with JAWS or NVDA just doesn't handle threading as eel as the Mail app does on the iPhone. If I were also talking about replying to and writing emails then yes, I'm going to go to my PC first. Also, if I were comparing the Mail app on my iPhone to Thunderbird with Orca on Linux, then I'd take that combination on my PC over the iPhone, but that's not an option for me at the job. I agree that doing some things, such as content generation, is generally more efficient on a PC than on a smart phone, but a lot of things related to content consumption is just as easy if not easier on a tablet or smart phone. My problem with your statement is that you're making wild exaggerations, you're stating your opinion as fact and you're not providing any use cases or details about what you're doing that's so much more efficient on your PC. I also don't agree that your smart phone or tablet is a supplementary device. It may be in your case, and that's fine. I know plenty of people though who use a tablet now as their primary device, and yes that is in an office setting. I'm not there yet, but it isn't because mobile devices don't have the necessary computing power. It has to do more with the state of the apps, their accessibility, and keyboard support. Convertible devices are also blurring the distinction between mobile devices and laptops, and there's no reason to think this trend won't continue. Look at the specs of your high end smart phones and the specs you need on your PC to accomplish the same tasks. The deltas have shrunk incredibly over the last few years, if they even exist at all any more. You can relegate your smart phone and tablet to a supplementary device if you want, but I'm glad their are innovators at Canonical, Microsoft and elsewhere that realize there's no reason why one device can't bridge the gap between the mobile and desktop spaces. On 07/02/17 10:21, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote: > Just research, just ask on blogs, just see it by yourself. Christopher, I > understand that what I am saying is a little bit painful > for smart phone users, but we need to be realistic. Smart phones are > supplementary tools, they are not work tools with enough > power to replace a computer. No, no yet. > Of course that when you are traveling you use your phone, supplementary tool. > I am not saying that you cannot use your phone to > read or reply an email, did I say so? > No right? > Ok, don't take my emails out of the point. I am saying that people using > smart phones are not that efficient managing emails as > they are using a computer. Just take that statement, not add or remove > anything from there. > The fact that you take 15 more minutes using your phone to handle emails is > proving what I am saying. > If you believe that you working as a professional in your office will not > need a computer because you have an iPhone, you are > wrong, and you will not get any job thinking like that. It is already proved, > we are not efficient working on smart phones as we > are on a computer. > People works a lot faster using a computer than using their smart phones. It > is for logic reasons. Simplicity of the apps is one, > size of screen is other, limitations of hardware is other. And the list can > continue. > Now try to read my email again, and you will see that I am not saying that we > cannot handle emails, I am saying that we are not > efficient if I compare with a computer handling emails. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC > > This doesn't need to be the case. Smart phones have more than enough > computing power to make handling emails just as efficient as > on a PC. > The applications used may need some improvement to get there, but there's > nothing limiting about a mobile platform when it comes > to handling emails. > > Also, the delta between what you can do now on your smart phone and what you > can do on your PC isn't nearly as wide as the message > below would make you believe. I prefer to do most of my emailing from my PC, > but when my PC isn't available to me, such as when > I'm traveling, the difference is more like 30 minutes on my PC to 45 minutes > on my smart phone. This is just an estimate, but it's > definitely not seconds versus hours. > > I'm not sure if this is just unabashed exaggeration or maybe the poster just > isn't as proficient with email aps on their smart > phone as they are with email clients on their PC. Either way, below is just > one person's experience and just one persons opinion. > > On 07/02/17 06:53, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote: >> Management of emails from a smart phone? >> >> No way. Smart phones are supplementary tools. You will be more >> efficient handling your email from your computer than from your iPhone. >> Especially when we are talking about huge amounts of emails per day. >> >> To handle 10 or 15 per day is ok, but not to handle hundreds of >> emails, that is a little bit silly and a waste of time. Probablly a >> good exercise for your hands, but with a computer you will be doing >> the same thing in seconds, instead hours. >> >> No way. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >> Behalf Of *Mike Ulrich >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:09 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> Sieghard, >> >> I’m glad I’m not the only one that if isn’t carefully keeping up with >> them, had at previous times a inbox with a massive amount of emails in it! >> >> One time though, I did select them all; and deleted them. I had about >> 3000 emails at the time. It was a should I stay or should I go moment >> for sure! LOL! >> >> So I try to keep up with both my laptop’s Outlook inbox, along with my >> 5S inbox too! A good lesson for sure! >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel >> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 6:22 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> Sounds like it's time for you to again sell your iPhone and go back to >> Android **smile**. >> >> I look at my camera roll like my email Inbox. If I don't deal with the >> emails in my Inbox on a regular bases pretty soon I also have >> thousands of emails in there and of course I can't delete them all >> since some are important. In the same way I delete those pictures I >> don't want or no longer need on a regular bases. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sieghard >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales >> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 2:27 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> Oh wow, >> >> I have 4715 pictures that I need to delete. Is not a easyer way to >> delete all pictures not using iTunes? >> >> Of course that those pictures weren’t taken in the same place or at >> the same time. Regarding this kind of issues android is several steps ahead. >> With my pixel I just connect my phone to my computer, and as you said >> before, control + A, and delete key. Problem fixed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel >> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:59 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> I don't think you can delete via Windows Explorer so you will have to >> do it on the phone. You can select groups of pictures, e.g. if you >> took 10 pictures at a particular time and date then it should have the >> place based on GPS location listed along with the time and you can >> select all the pictures in that group which is faster than selecting >> each picture separately.' >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales >> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 12:43 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> Now, and how can I take all the pictures out of my iPhone? Like delete >> all of them. I tried select all, and delete, but they are not deleted. >> I don’t want to use iTunes, this software is a pain in the… >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Evan Reese >> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:57 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> Oh, well, I didn’t know it was that simple. >> >> Thanks very much. >> >> Evan >> >> >> >> *From:*Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Sent:*Monday, February 06, 2017 1:52 PM >> >> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Subject:*RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> Just turn off Photo Library in Settings > iCloud. Once that is done >> the iPad should show up in Windows Explorer as a drive and you an >> access the pictures there and just highlight all with Control+A, then >> Control+C to copy, go to a folder on your PC and Control+V to copy. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Sieghard >> >> >> >> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Evan Reese >> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 10:47 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> >> >> Hey Guys, >> >> My partner doesn’t own an Apple device, but she likes to use my iPad >> Mini 4 to take pictures because she can see what she’s taking a >> picture of better than with her digital camera. We would like to be >> able to get these pictures off of it onto her Windows PC. There are >> several hundred of them now, so doing it manually one at a time won’t >> be feasible. Is there some program that we can install on her Windows >> PC that will transfer them? She doesn’t need to install iTunes >> because, as I mentioned, she doesn’t own any Apple devices, and she >> doesn’t use my iPad Mini for anything other than taking pictures. If >> installing iTunes is the only, or the best, solution, then I can do >> that; but it seems like overkill just to transfer a bunch of pictures. >> >> Finally, if it’s something other than iTunes, it needs to be >> accessible with her JAWS. >> >> Thanks for any guidance. >> >> >> >> Evan >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn >> - you can reach Cara at [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn >> - 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