A physical keyboard is generally faster than the onscreen keyboard, but these days, I almost always use MBraiile on my iPhone and iPod Touch 6 when replying and even writing up notes. It is almost as fast as an external keyboard, and I don't have to carry anything extra. Richard
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 12:02 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Argument aside, I find I can navigate and type on a desktop keyboard much > quicker and efficiently than on any kind of handheld > without physical keys. It's just what we got used to. > I finally bought a full-size bluetooth to try on an iPad Mini, still trying, > iOs navigation just isn't as simple as using the arrow > keys like it used to be. > So I can never understand the developer claims it is all in the interest of > efficiency. Sure, you can do more when not at a desk; > that, I admit, is progress. > > BobH. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 12:31 AM > Subject: PC's versus smart phones [WAS was Re: Getting Pictures Off of an > iPad Mini to a Windows PC"] > > > First of all, no where did I say that you said we can't handle emails on > our smart phones. You don't want to be taken out of context, so please > extend that courtesy to others on the list as well. > > In fact, what you did say, and I quote, is "... with a computer you will > be doing the same thing in seconds, instead hours." All I said in my > email, which you can read below, is that this is an exaggeration and is > only your experience and your opinion. > > If you can read, reply to, file and delete a hundred message on your PC > in a few seconds then that's great, and you are infinitely more > proficient with email on your PC than I am. On the other hand if it > takes you hours to read, reply to, move and delete a hundred emails on > your smart phone then you're either doing some complicated email > formatting like Seeghard describes, or I'm a lot more proficient when it > comes to handling email on a smart phone then you are. > > In fact, there are some tasks I prefer to do on my iPhone. For example, > if I'm going to read, delete and move a bunch of emails at work, I'll do > that on my iPhone before I'll do that in Outlook on my PC. I just find > that Outlook with JAWS or NVDA just doesn't handle threading as eel as > the Mail app does on the iPhone. If I were also talking about replying > to and writing emails then yes, I'm going to go to my PC first. Also, if > I were comparing the Mail app on my iPhone to Thunderbird with Orca on > Linux, then I'd take that combination on my PC over the iPhone, but > that's not an option for me at the job. > > I agree that doing some things, such as content generation, is generally > more efficient on a PC than on a smart phone, but a lot of things > related to content consumption is just as easy if not easier on a tablet > or smart phone. My problem with your statement is that you're making > wild exaggerations, you're stating your opinion as fact and you're not > providing any use cases or details about what you're doing that's so > much more efficient on your PC. > > I also don't agree that your smart phone or tablet is a supplementary > device. It may be in your case, and that's fine. I know plenty of people > though who use a tablet now as their primary device, and yes that is in > an office setting. I'm not there yet, but it isn't because mobile > devices don't have the necessary computing power. It has to do more with > the state of the apps, their accessibility, and keyboard support. > Convertible devices are also blurring the distinction between mobile > devices and laptops, and there's no reason to think this trend won't > continue. Look at the specs of your high end smart phones and the specs > you need on your PC to accomplish the same tasks. The deltas have shrunk > incredibly over the last few years, if they even exist at all any more. > > You can relegate your smart phone and tablet to a supplementary device > if you want, but I'm glad their are innovators at Canonical, Microsoft > and elsewhere that realize there's no reason why one device can't bridge > the gap between the mobile and desktop spaces. > > > >> On 07/02/17 10:21, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote: >> Just research, just ask on blogs, just see it by yourself. Christopher, I >> understand that what I am saying is a little bit painful >> for smart phone users, but we need to be realistic. Smart phones are >> supplementary tools, they are not work tools with enough >> power to replace a computer. No, no yet. >> Of course that when you are traveling you use your phone, supplementary >> tool. I am not saying that you cannot use your phone to >> read or reply an email, did I say so? >> No right? >> Ok, don't take my emails out of the point. I am saying that people using >> smart phones are not that efficient managing emails as >> they are using a computer. Just take that statement, not add or remove >> anything from there. >> The fact that you take 15 more minutes using your phone to handle emails is >> proving what I am saying. >> If you believe that you working as a professional in your office will not >> need a computer because you have an iPhone, you are >> wrong, and you will not get any job thinking like that. It is already >> proved, we are not efficient working on smart phones as we >> are on a computer. >> People works a lot faster using a computer than using their smart phones. It >> is for logic reasons. Simplicity of the apps is one, >> size of screen is other, limitations of hardware is other. And the list can >> continue. >> Now try to read my email again, and you will see that I am not saying that >> we cannot handle emails, I am saying that we are not >> efficient if I compare with a computer handling emails. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Christopher Chaltain >> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:09 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >> >> This doesn't need to be the case. Smart phones have more than enough >> computing power to make handling emails just as efficient as >> on a PC. >> The applications used may need some improvement to get there, but there's >> nothing limiting about a mobile platform when it comes >> to handling emails. >> >> Also, the delta between what you can do now on your smart phone and what you >> can do on your PC isn't nearly as wide as the message >> below would make you believe. I prefer to do most of my emailing from my PC, >> but when my PC isn't available to me, such as when >> I'm traveling, the difference is more like 30 minutes on my PC to 45 minutes >> on my smart phone. This is just an estimate, but it's >> definitely not seconds versus hours. >> >> I'm not sure if this is just unabashed exaggeration or maybe the poster just >> isn't as proficient with email aps on their smart >> phone as they are with email clients on their PC. Either way, below is just >> one person's experience and just one persons opinion. >> >>> On 07/02/17 06:53, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote: >>> Management of emails from a smart phone? >>> >>> No way. Smart phones are supplementary tools. You will be more >>> efficient handling your email from your computer than from your iPhone. >>> Especially when we are talking about huge amounts of emails per day. >>> >>> To handle 10 or 15 per day is ok, but not to handle hundreds of >>> emails, that is a little bit silly and a waste of time. Probablly a >>> good exercise for your hands, but with a computer you will be doing >>> the same thing in seconds, instead hours. >>> >>> No way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *Mike Ulrich >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:09 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> Sieghard, >>> >>> I’m glad I’m not the only one that if isn’t carefully keeping up with >>> them, had at previous times a inbox with a massive amount of emails in it! >>> >>> One time though, I did select them all; and deleted them. I had about >>> 3000 emails at the time. It was a should I stay or should I go moment >>> for sure! LOL! >>> >>> So I try to keep up with both my laptop’s Outlook inbox, along with my >>> 5S inbox too! A good lesson for sure! >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 6:22 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> Sounds like it's time for you to again sell your iPhone and go back to >>> Android **smile**. >>> >>> I look at my camera roll like my email Inbox. If I don't deal with the >>> emails in my Inbox on a regular bases pretty soon I also have >>> thousands of emails in there and of course I can't delete them all >>> since some are important. In the same way I delete those pictures I >>> don't want or no longer need on a regular bases. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 2:27 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh wow, >>> >>> I have 4715 pictures that I need to delete. Is not a easyer way to >>> delete all pictures not using iTunes? >>> >>> Of course that those pictures weren’t taken in the same place or at >>> the same time. Regarding this kind of issues android is several steps ahead. >>> With my pixel I just connect my phone to my computer, and as you said >>> before, control + A, and delete key. Problem fixed. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:59 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think you can delete via Windows Explorer so you will have to >>> do it on the phone. You can select groups of pictures, e.g. if you >>> took 10 pictures at a particular time and date then it should have the >>> place based on GPS location listed along with the time and you can >>> select all the pictures in that group which is faster than selecting >>> each picture separately.' >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 12:43 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, and how can I take all the pictures out of my iPhone? Like delete >>> all of them. I tried select all, and delete, but they are not deleted. >>> I don’t want to use iTunes, this software is a pain in the… >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Evan Reese >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:57 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh, well, I didn’t know it was that simple. >>> >>> Thanks very much. >>> >>> Evan >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Sent:*Monday, February 06, 2017 1:52 PM >>> >>> *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> *Subject:*RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> Just turn off Photo Library in Settings > iCloud. Once that is done >>> the iPad should show up in Windows Explorer as a drive and you an >>> access the pictures there and just highlight all with Control+A, then >>> Control+C to copy, go to a folder on your PC and Control+V to copy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Evan Reese >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 10:47 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey Guys, >>> >>> My partner doesn’t own an Apple device, but she likes to use my iPad >>> Mini 4 to take pictures because she can see what she’s taking a >>> picture of better than with her digital camera. We would like to be >>> able to get these pictures off of it onto her Windows PC. There are >>> several hundred of them now, so doing it manually one at a time won’t >>> be feasible. Is there some program that we can install on her Windows >>> PC that will transfer them? She doesn’t need to install iTunes >>> because, as I mentioned, she doesn’t own any Apple devices, and she >>> doesn’t use my iPad Mini for anything other than taking pictures. If >>> installing iTunes is the only, or the best, solution, then I can do >>> that; but it seems like overkill just to transfer a bunch of pictures. >>> >>> Finally, if it’s something other than iTunes, it needs to be >>> accessible with her JAWS. >>> >>> Thanks for any guidance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Evan >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn >>> - you can reach Cara at [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>> Quinn >>> - 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