Sorry, Victor. I am not confused. I know the difference between profit and market share. One, profit, is relevant if you're a business. Two, marketshare, is not relevant at all if you're not making any money. You will go out of business if you do not make money. Eventually, whoever is subsidizing all of your losses will get tired of it, and you will go away. It's that simple. If you get complacent, then you won't be selling as many hi profit margin products, and then you have a problem. But since I just saw an article that talked about how the-year-old iPhone 6s sold more than Samsung's top two phones of last year, the S7 and S7 edge, I don't think Apple has anything to worry about in the complacency department. Mary
Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> wrote: > > Mary, I think you’re getting confused with profits and market share, or sales. > > What I mean to say is that in terms of pricing and how much money Apple makes > cannot be denied, but they are a low percentage of the share of the cell > phone market, and this has nothing to do with whether I like the news or not, > if you came to me and proved to me that your blanket statement was correct, I > would humbly apologize, and stand corrected, however, the fact is, in market > share, there are too many cell phones out there for Apple to even corner the > market or even the entire cell phone market. I’m sorry if I confused you. > > Victor > > From: Mary Otten > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - > Bloomberg > > Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the > phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple > makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like > it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all > over articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. > Waymore phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes > exactly no difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being > made is being made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. > Samsung makes a bunch of money. They make some profit on phones. They also > make a ton of money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all > those folks are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. > It might not be "fair". But that's how it is. > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first. >> >> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry >> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight >> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple. To say that Apple >> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is >> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other >> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea. >> >> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to >> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement >> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple >> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts. >> >> Victor >> >> From: Mary Otten >> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone >> - Bloomberg >> >> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most >> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android >> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business >> forever if they don't make a profit. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouv...@rogers.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and >>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for >>> just that reason. With the added advances in the camera, both front and >>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones >>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those >>> devices are pushing it. When they introduced the enhanced camera in the >>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people >>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still >>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is >>> just the smaller issue. How many phones out there are getting more and >>> more waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with >>> an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid >>> that sort of thing. Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed >>> platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App >>> store. Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to >>> jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that Regardless, I do think that Apple >>> should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it >>> easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the >>> cold when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in. >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> Victor >>> >>> From: Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone >>> - Bloomberg >>> >>> Hi Victor, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD >>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card >>> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more >>> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on >>> the SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature >>> of the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also >>> introduce a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this >>> all goes against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even >>> some high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be >>> wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD >>> card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is one thing >>> because there is probably plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is >>> most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and >>> of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device would >>> probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot >>> Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally >>> agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people >>> still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) >>> for $100 more. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Victor Gouveia >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone >>> - Bloomberg >>> >>> >>> >>> I don’t agree Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the >>> memory it’s offering. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an >>> expansion slot for an SD card. >>> >>> >>> >>> Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, >>> since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, >>> and allow people to expand according to their budget. Alas, it would seem >>> that Apple is destined not to ever get the message. >>> >>> >>> >>> Victor >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Mr. Ed >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM >>> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> >>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone >>> - Bloomberg >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Mary, >>> >>> I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal. >>> >>> Mr. Ed >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Mary Otten >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM >>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone >>> - Bloomberg >>> >>> >>> >>> These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a >>> new iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But >>> these upgrades are no big deal. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> >>> And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just heard on >>> the Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be an event in April >>> where a new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they >>> would just do this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a >>> bit more last yer around the iPhone SE.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Marissa Solaun >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:37 PM >>> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - >>> Bloomberg >>> >>> >>> >>> May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+ >>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/apple-introduces-cheapest-ipad-yet-special-edition-red-iphone >>> >>> Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone >>> More stories by Alex Webb >>> >>> Apple Inc. introduced a revamped version of its most popular-sized iPad at >>> the cheapest price yet, and a shiny red iPhone 7, whose sales will help to >>> combat AIDS. >>> >>> Apple unveiled a new 9.7-inch iPad with a brighter Retina display starting >>> at $329, and a special edition red-aluminum finish iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 >>> Plus, part of the company’s decade-long partnership with (RED), which >>> contributes to the Global Fund to fight HIV and AIDS. >>> >>> “Since we began working with (RED) 10 years ago, our customers have made a >>> significant impact in fighting the spread of AIDS through the purchase of >>> our products, from the original iPod nano (PRODUCT)RED Special Edition all >>> the way to today’s lineup of Beats products and accessories for iPhone, >>> iPad and Apple Watch,” Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook said in a >>> statement Tuesday. >>> >>> Apple is the world’s largest corporate donor to the Global Fund, >>> contributing more than $130 million, the company said. >>> >>> Apple is expected to reveal a significant upgrade to the iPhone later this >>> year. >>> Cupertino, California-based Apple last year unveiled a new iPhone which >>> reignited sales growth in the Christmas quarter after a year of declines. >>> Those falling sales came even as Apple introduced a cheaper handset in >>> March in an effort to spur growth in emerging markets. The only sales >>> growth in the 2016 fiscal year came from the services business, which >>> includes Apple Music and the App Store, and the other products category. >>> >>> Apple shares rose less than one percent to $142.55 at 10:24 a.m. in New >>> York. Earlier they hit a new intraday high of $142.80. >>> >>> >>> >>> The new iPad starts at $329 for 32GB with Wi-Fi and $459 for 32GB Wi-Fi >>> plus cellular. It will be available to order starting March 24 in the U.S. >>> and more than 20 other countries and regions. The iPhone (RED) models will >>> be available in 128GB and 256GB models starting at $749 from March 24. >>> Apple also announced new storage capacity for the iPhone SE. 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