For me the smaller size and 2 hours more battery life over the 8 Plus would be pretty compelling reasons to fork out the extra cash for an iPhone X. Of course that is also a really good reason for anybody who has a 6S/6S Plus or 7/7 Plus to simply fight the urge to run out there and buy a new phone just so you have the latest since I am pretty sure next fall every model of iPhone will have Face Id and an OLED screen. I think most of us on this list are not part of the group who has troubles counting their money and we really need to get away from this expectation or whatever you want to call it to upgrade every two years or, as some do, every year. Doing so costs hundreds of Dollars each year and given how mature phones like the 7/7 Plus or 6S/6S Plus are there really is no reason why one can’t keep them for 3 years. If you bought on a contract then going to a low-cost MVNO after two years can save you at least $200 or $300 in your third year, if you add that to what you would pay to get a new phone on contract you almost have saved enough to buy said new phone after 3 years without a contract. This means you can continue to stay with your low-cost provider and save even more over the next 3 years. Companies produce so much stuff these days and we are constantly bombarded with ads and are told that we absolutely need all this latest stuff and while I am the last to say no to all of it, I am sometimes amazed about how many devices some on this list have who otherwise they they are unemployed and on a fixed and relatively low income. I know there are also many who work and earn a steady and comfortable income and I certainly don’t want to generalize, but I’ve been on this list for many years and have noticed this trend.
Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10? I couldn't agree more. If I were in the market this year, I would get an 8+. No question. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>> wrote: The iPhone X offers nothing for a visually impaired person that would warrant the increased price. The iPhone 8 should service the needs of a visually impaired person well. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jewel<mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:30 PM Subject: Re: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10? >From what I hear, precious little to precious none!! and the price makes it >even more unattractive! Who wants to keep up with the well-heeled Jones' anyway? Jewel From: Cris Ali<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10? I love the short text channel on Seeing AI. I almost stopped using KNFB reader entirely because of that. I used to use KNFB reader mostly to identify the pieces of mail I get, but now I use seeing AI instead. Cheers, Cris From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10? I think OCR results also depend on who is doing the scanning since there are people on this list who say they can’t for the life of them even get anything good with KNFB Reader. If the print is good I get near 100% accuracy both with KNFB Reader and the document scanning channel in Seeing AI. The short text channel of that app is almost miraculous in it’s speed and accuracy. A better camera may make a difference in how good of a result you get in difficult lighting or if your hand is a bit shaky, but when it comes down to it then under good lighting conditions somebody with a steady hand and with a good ability to hold the phone straight and at the right distance to the page would probably get a better result with an iPhone 5S than somebody who wasn’t able to do a good job with an iPhone X. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10? I say this because I have been using OCR apps, including text detective, text grabber prizmo, KNFB reader and others since iPhone 4S and have not seen a huge OCR improvements. In other words the OCR improvements do not match the huge changes in the photo quality across the various releases of the iPhone. Of course the improvements in stability and speed of recognition are noticeable between 4S and five, 5 and 5S, 6 and 6S etc.… but the speed and stability are functions of memory and processor> I would imagine that the great improvements in Cameras would be reflected in much more accurate OCR results. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 2:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10? Why do you say developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantage of the camera capabilities of the 6S and 7? Just curious how you know this? From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cris Ali Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: What do you expect the advantages to be for a blind user in iPhone 10? May be it is too early to tell because none of us has seen iPhone ten yet. But I listened to the Apple description of the hardware carefully and I could not find in it anything for me as a blind user which does not already exist in iPhone seven or the forth coming iPhone eight. How many pixels on the retina display is of no interest to me since I have the curtains always turned on. I am not sure how much advantages could the developers of OCR apps can find in iPhone ten’s camera to perfect their products, As is the Cameras in the existing iPhone six S and Seven are great, and the developers of OCR apps have not taken full advantages of them yet. 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