Sieghard, Let me see if I can explain this adequately. If you have a message thread, as in having multiple messages, and you flick up and double tap on delete thread, the setting will remain on delete thread if the next message in the list is also a threaded conversation. If not the setting will revert to “Activate” Vice versa, if you have a single message and you flick up to delete, as long as the next message is also singular, the setting will remain on delete. It’s going to take some getting use to.
I hope this helps. Paul On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Hi List, This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on, the rotor used to reset itself to “Activate” so that when the next mail gained focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the rotor mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the next message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is no consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and when it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and consider it a bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and unfortunately I was informed that this is not a bug but it is “changed” behaviour. Here my email exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc omplain to Apple about this since I don’t recall having heard a single person say they liked how this is behaving. First, my initial message to Apple Accessibility: Hello, In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails using the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double tap, afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option which is and should be the default has gained focus and my next email would open. In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another double tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to open. Regards, Sieghard' Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug but what it should be: Hello, Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been changed. Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap to delete the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus will also be deleted. The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point it will revert to “Activate” . Apple Accessibility Here is my reply to the above: Hello, Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not consistent since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does reset itself to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment on the Viphone and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new behaviour. Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have you removed this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor was set to close in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping on apps to close them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back to activate and if I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a 3-finger swipe up for each app I have to flick it to close for each new app. Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I think to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will post your reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users let you know that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple will bring back the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not consistent. Right now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to flick the rotor back and forth each time to see if it still is on delete because otherwise some of the time when it should be on delete it opens the message or thread instead, as I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like to know who decided that it does. Regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. 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