I could buy a Nokia phone and Talks for less then what an iPhone costs. Plus I was using a Nokia phone with Talks in 2002, five years before there was an accessible iPhone.
You have less expensive options for screen readers on Windows, such as NVDA or Narrator, and it isn't true at all that people don't complain about the cost of JAWS.
I'm not bashing the iPhone, it's a great product, but people don't need to misrepresent the facts to defend it.
On 12/30/2017 07:46 PM, Malcolm Parfitt wrote:
Frankly I am rather tired of the Apple bashing that appears to be fashionable among some members. Not all that long ago you had to spend around £150 to add Talks to make a Nokia device accessible. If you changed your phone another £50 transfer cost was required to transfer Talks to your new device. An Apple phone costs us no more or less than slighted people you cannot say that about many products! Take Windows alone, access software costs as much or more than the machine itself but who complains? Yet I would say that VoiceOver gives us more access to iOS features than does any Windows screen reader. Can you compare Narrator with VoiceOver both are screen readers hilt into the operating system but they are light years apart. If your PC was like an Apple device there would be no need for JAWS or NVDA. I have an iPhone5S here and it runs iOS11.2 perfectly well. How many computers of that age can run Windows10? You may argue that an iPhone is slower with the latest version of the operating system but is this not true with any device no matter what the platform is. Sent from my iPhoneOn 31 Dec 2017, at 00:17, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: I think the point the original poster was making is that Apple started main stream accessibility when they made Voiceover part of iOS with the iPhone 3GS in 2009. This was only 2 years after the iPhone was first released and while I am sure Apple did this partly to maybe have more chances for getting government contracts where accessibility needed to be available, it still took a bit of vision to do such a deep integration both in iOS and MAC OS and of course now in TVOS and Watch OS. The fact is that Google/Android and now Microsoft are all playing catch up as they follow the example Apple set. Before 2009 accessibility as a right was not a term you hear, now you do. I know Pablo that you think Android is so much better and all that and I'm sure it's a pretty good experience by now, but I bought an iPod Touch third generation in 2009 and remember in those initial years (2009, 2010, 2011 and so on) when I was also listening to Podcasts and demos of Android accessibility and back then it was a joke compare dto iOS. Prior to 2009 you had to spend about as much as a subsidised iPhone costs now to get something like MobileSpeak if you wanted an accessibile smartphone of some sort and of course if you count the cost of what MobileGeo used to cost let alone KNFB Reader for Symbian what we can get now even if you do buy a $1,000 iPhone at full price is pretty amazing. I paid that much for MobileSpeak and MobileGeo alone and my Microsoft Mobile 6.1 smartphone at the time could do a lot less than what my iPhone can do now. KNFB Reader when it was first available for a few Nokia phones I think was $1,500. Of course now with Seeing AI which is completely free my KNFB Reader rarely gets used any more since for what I do which mostly is just reading a single page or envelope the short text function in the Seeingt AI app usually does the job. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time But Apple is not the only one who have created accessibility. All these apps that you are mentioning exist for android, and they are cheaper than in IOs. KNFB reader is just $20 for android. Maybe you need to try and see. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GARY WILLIAMS Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time I don’t either, I’m just thankful for the accessible technology they have provided for us. The iphone has opened up so many opportunities because of apps such as Digit Eyes, Seeing ai, Be My Eyes and Knfb Reader, just to mention a few. Going to the grocery store has certainly changed for the better for us. It would be really hard if we didn’t have these apps. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 30, 2017, at 6:59 AM, Malcolm Parfitt <[email protected]> wrote: For what it’s worth I think this is all a case of a storm in a teacup. To put the balance straight it is worth remembering that Apple has probably done more than any other company for us. I do not accept that there is a conspiracy on Apple’s part. Happy new year to you all. Sent from my iPhoneOn 30 Dec 2017, at 11:30, Pablo Morales <[email protected]> wrote: Their problem is not how much money they will need to pay if they win or lose those sues. It is not a money fact. It is a trust fact. This attitude from Apple has shown a lot of disloyalty to their customers. They should not hide this things. They had a lot of opportunities to share this issues but they rather to hide it. Here is where the theory that Apple was trying to sell more new phones earns more strength -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time So there are a few class action suits in progress, Apple will either defeat them or settle them, they have so much money that it is not going to cause Tim Cook to loose sleep over it. Going forward they hopefully learned something, the new battery status app or settings area or whatever it will be shows they can provide the information to the device user. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 5:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time They are going to be sue because they didn't informe the customers about that weird operation that reduce performance, and neither they provided any choice. They have done all of this quietly and for years. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julian Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 10:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time LOL, apology… Yeah right! If they really want to show remorse, they would give us the ability to toggle the throttling on or off. Good luck getting them to do that though. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 28, 2017, at 4:20 PM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: 'We Apologize.' Apple Offers $29 Fix After Uproar Over Slowing Down Old iPhones Apple has apologized to its customers for what it calls a "misunderstanding" around the revelation that the company has been slowing down older phones to accommodate for their aging batteries. "We know that some of you feel Apple has let you down. We apologize," the company said in a letter published on its website Thursday. The controversy over the slowing performance of aging iPhones exploded last week after a blog post highlighted the relationship between iPhone performance and battery condition. Apple later confirmed that it has been slowing older iPhones' performance to prevent sudden shutdowns as their aging batteries lost potency over time. In the letter posted Thursday, Apple said it considers batteries "consumable components" and that it has always wanted customers to be able to use iPhones "as long as possible." To that end, the company will cut the price of a battery replacement by $50 for anyone with an iPhone 6 or later starting in late January. That means instead of dropping $79 to get a new battery and make your old iPhone work like new again, you'll pay $29 through December 2018. iPhone users can also expect an iOS software update early in 2018 that will include new information about their battery's health, letting people see when the phone's battery may be affecting its performance. The iPhone battery revelations struck a chord because some iPhone users believe the company intentionally slows its older phones to get customers to buy new ones. However, Apple says the practice is meant to prolong the life of older batteries. 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