Hi Arlene, I think you would be surprised how many people keep the iPhone for at least 3 and sometimes 4 years. Yes, there are the techy people and those who just want to have the latest and quite a few are probably on these expensive plans which allow them to trade in their phone every year, but there are also a lot of as Kelly said budget conscious owners who either can't afford that or they just don't see the need for it. When I bought my first iPhone, an iPhone 4 in 2010, I also ended up selling it the following year to buy the 4S in 2011 because it was quite a big upgrade and the 4S was the first phone with SIRI. After that I also upgraded every 2 years, the 5S in 2013 and the 6S Plus in 2015, but now for the first time I have kept my 6S Plus for a third year. As I said, I'll probably get a battery replacement at some point this year at Apple's discounted price and I'm not at all sure if I will upgrade even this fall. If my 6S Plus gets a new battery it can probably do at least another year because otherwise I am very happy with the phone. I think Face Id is neat and wireless charging is cool, but it's not like I have to have this. Given the somewhat mediocre reception of the iPhone X I think I don't at all mind waiting until Apple has figured out where they are going with this. I also very much believe that there is less need to upgrade this often as these phones mature, in the early years say between 2007 and 2013 they came a long way and each year the phone was a pretty major upgrade, but now that the size/form factor seems to have sort of settled in, cameras while getting improvements with newer phones are fantastic even on the 6S/6S Plus and for every-day use I doubt you would notice a huge difference in speed when it comes to opening up apps and so on. I therefore think people are going to upgrade less often in the future unless companies bring down the costs of the types of plans where that is possible. Here in Canada we pay some of the highest prices for cell phone and fast internet service and the plan I am on with Koodo Mobile, an MVNO owned by Telus, is too good to give up. I pay $49 + taxes for unlimited Canada wide calling and texting, basic voice mail and 6Gb of data. That of course is $49 Canadian and with taxes added on that is about $40 US at the current exchange rate. I would pay at least $90 if I had a similar plan from one of the big 3 here, Bell, Telus or Rogers and while this would allow me to buy a subsidised new phone every 2 years, it's not worth it. Let's consider a 4-year term so 48 months. Let's also assume the phone will cost me $1,100 Canadian, but subsidised it is only $400 Canadian and I am buying a new phone every 2 years. This means I will pay $90 a months for the plan I want multiplied by 48 months = $4,320.00. I also bought 2 phones at $400 during that time, one at the beginning and the second after 2 years which then lasts me for year 3 and 4, another $800. Therefore, after 4 years I have spent $5,120.00. Now in the other scenario let's assume I buy my phone for $1,100 at the beginning and I keep it for 4 years. I also get to be on my let's say $50 a month plan. I now spent $50 for 48 months = $2,400, add to that the phone at full price and I spend $3,500. Compared to the other plan I saved $1, 620.00. the iPhone X costs more than most people spend on a laptop and even the regular iphone 8 with 256Gb of memory costs as much or more than many laptops. How many people buy a new laptop every 2 years? I think as the initial fascination with these powerful little devices wears thin people will realize that they can easily keep them for 3 or 4 years and that for a relatively small amount they could get the battery replaced after 2 years to maintain good performance and especially with iPhones we also know that we get the latest iOS update usually for 5 years. Yes, the newest phone may have the hardware to support a few new features, but unless they introduce something pretty spectacular (that goes for Apple as well as for Google) most phones which are new now or were new in the last couple of years will do just fine.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S Arlene, these are budget conscious iPhone owners. They have a phone introduced in 2013. If they keep this new phone for four or five years like the 5s they now own, they will save money from the cost of chucking an iPhone after just two years. Kelly On 4/7/18, Arlene <arlenes71...@earthlink.net> wrote: > We have a friend that provides transportation for us, and she prefers > the larger screen because she doesn't wear her contacts 24 7, and > without them she's just about as blind as we are. The larger screen > would probably be great for a partially sighted friend. Other wise > you're correct about the 7 being less expensive and a nice size phone. > In another message I observed someone was recomending an iphone 8 > because it would be more future proof in regards to being obsolete. > While that's correct, most people wouldn't have the same phone beyond > 2 years. So while the 7 is knocking on the 8's backdoor you'd save > money with buying the 7, and would have a simular good experience. If you > could afford the 8, go ahead and buy it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sieghard Weitzel > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 12:06 PM > Subject: RE: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S > > > Hi Arlene, > > > > Interesting that you recommend the SE and the 7 Plus, a huge step up > in size. I think unless somebody specifically wants a Plus size phone > the regular iPhone 7 would be a better choice and also less expensive. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf > Of Arlene > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 8:54 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S > > > > Bill, as relatively new iphone users, we chose the se phones, we > like it for it's size, it's very smooth operating experience when > using the phone and it will have your standard audio jack. We can > definitely recomend the se. We believe this would be a great choice. > However, if you wanted to step out a little our other recomendation at > this time would be the 7 plus. With the 7 plus I believe you get an > adaptor so you would have your audio physically connected to your > phone. I've heard the bluetooth has gotten better when it comes to > audio. Anyway the 7 plus is a nice phone, just a little more money. > Good luck, Bill with all this information that you received from > richard, mark, us and anyone else that's answered these questions for > you since I'm a bit behind on messages, of which it will be interesting to > read. > > > > Arlene and Wayne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Richard Turner > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 7:19 AM > > Subject: Re: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S > > > > > > Bill, Mark covered most points very well. > > I would point out that the iPhone SE is the same size as the 5s > and is slightly newer than the 6s, if that makes any difference for you. > > Richard > > > > > > (Sent from the iPod Touch 6) > > > On Apr 4, 2018, at 11:00 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Hello Bill, > > You ask questions that some may be reluctant to answer for the > simple fact that each person's circumstances are unique. > > Be that as it may, I will offer some suggestions in order to > assist you. Please keep in mind that this is only my opinion. > > As for determining how to tell which apps will not function in > iOS 11, I will place the steps and a link to the article below my signature. > > 1. > To manually backup your device to iCloud, from the Settings > menu, select your name. > > 2. > Select iCloud. > > 3. > Select and explore the Backup area. > > Now, as for your other questions: > > 1. > Since money is of great concern to you, and since I'm almost > certain you do not want to have to deal with the issue of swapping out > any of your audio connectors to the Lightening form-factor, I strongly > suggest that you purchase an iPhone 6 S, model. The 6 S model > continues to offer the 3.5mm jack, insuring that any analog audio equipment > you have will work as usual. > Also, the price of the 6 S is significantly less than the 7, 8, and 10 > series devices. > > As far as I know, the only place from which you can purchase a > new 6 S series phone is from Apple, be it online or at an Apple store. > > 2. > You ask: > "When I get the new phone, will I need to reconnect my bluetooth > devices, my keyboard, a tile I have on my key ring, and my headphones? > Will I need to replace these.? > > Answer: > All things being equal, you will probably need to re-pair your > Bluetooth devices. Will you need to replace them? I should think not. > > As for your charger, the answer is, No, you will not have to > replace it as all Apple phones, currently being sold, as new, use the > Lightening port charging system. > > Bill, I realize that upgrading to a new phone can be very scary > and I don't blame you for hesitating to do so. However, in all > things, change is unavoidable so it's best to do it on your own terms, > whenever possible. > > I won't kid you, it is quite possible that some of your favorite > apps have not been updated to 64-bit and, thus, will not work in iOS 11. > Regardless, given that your 5 S is falling apart, I’m certain that you > will gain more than you lose by upgrading to a new device with a > modern operating system. > > Okay, that's about it. > > Good luck, Bill, and try to have faith in yourself. You can do this. > > Sincerely, > > Mark > > which apps won't work on iOS 11 > > How can I find 32-bit apps on my device? > > Discovering any old apps that haven't been updated is very simple. > > On your iPhone or iPad go to Settings > General > About, and > then look for Applications in the list. > > which apps won't work on iOS 11 > > If you don't have any applications that are 32-bit then tapping > Applications will do nothing. But if you see an arrow on the right > side of that section then tap on it and you'll be presented with a > list of all the 32-bit apps on your device. > > > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > macworld.co.uk%2Fhow-to%2Fiosapps%2Fwhich-apps-wont-work-in-ios-11-366 > 0434%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cad985a4d28a14c73f8d608d59aba76b4%7C84df9e7fe > 9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636585048025779077&sdata=PZmMAEpPKig > 1oaK4DfBOkOUYyweR1iZpizgnx1zh4%2BI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > On Behalf Of Bill Outman > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 7:47 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Upgrade process from iPhone 5S > > Hello, again list. > > I am concerned about the process of upgrading my 5S to a better model. > It is falling apart, as I have lost the physical mute switch and the > touch screen is sitting on the phone and I have to be careful not to > lose it. The case has been gradually losing pieces. I have had it > for four years, so it is really overdue for a replacement. > > First, I am having trouble with the iOS 11 installation cycle. > It seems to be failing due to lack of capacity, but I’m not sure if > this is really the issue. I am concerned about updating apps to > accommodate this new version, and I vaguely recall hearing there is a > way to tell which apps might have trouble working when I go from iOS 10 to 11. > > I worry about the transfer of my apps and data to a new phone, fearing > I may lose somethingin the process. I know I can back up the phone to > iCloud, but am not sure if this is happening automaticallyofr if there > is some step I need to take to do this just before the switch. > > When I get the new phone, will I need to reconnect my bluetooth > devices, my keyboard, a tile I have on my key ring, and my headphones? > Will I need to replace these. I also have a stand for my K-NFB reader > I might need to replace, though admittedly I haven’t used it much. > > I am wondering what type of new iPhone I can or should get. I > bought the 5S through my local A. T. & T. store back in 2014. It is > fully paid off long since through my cell phone bill with them. I > know I could have taken a free upgrad from them at some point, but was > unsure of what model I would have gotten, and I was afraid of going through > the transfer process then. > Now I have to update with the phone falling apart, and don’t know what > I can get and still have the same transfer fears. > If I can’t get it free, I have fears about the cost of the new > phone, or how much I can afford to allow the bill to increase to pay > for it that way. I am in a jam with my available credit. > > One other technical issue is the compatibility of my charger. 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