Hi Sieghard,
Yes, I am upset about the security ramifications of face ID. In my own personal 
use case, living where I do and with my current mobility limitations, thank you 
chemotherapy, it’s not a huge deal for me. But I can’t see it being a big deal 
for others. So it’s not all about me.


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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi mary,
> 
> You are so worried about Face Id yet you want to buy one of the new phones?
> I am not worried about it at all and actually think for me it would be better 
> since often when I do lots of woodworking I can't use Touch Id for days 
> because my fingers have little cuts, I get glue on them etc.
> I have a 6S Plus and had the battery replaced by Apple a little over 3 months 
> ago and while I'd love to have a waterproof phone, I see little other 
> incentive to upgrade.
> I guess if I were on a plan where I paid lots of money to have the option to 
> upgrade every year I'd of course do it, but at this point I like my $49 plan 
> (canadian Dollars) with unlimited calling, texting and 6Gb of data so that 
> means for me that I'd have to buy a phone at full price and that's just not 
> happening. I am, however, much more tempted by the Apple Watch 4, my wife and 
> I both have second generation Apple Watches and I do find it frustrating how 
> slow they sometimes are.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Cristobal Muñoz
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: face id question
> 
> Um yeah, no. My phone stays in my pocket or in my hand. 
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: face id question
> 
> Presumably nothing. But have you never been out in public and had your iPhone 
> on the table say at a coffee shop or wherever. What would stop somebody from 
> snatching your iPhone even if it was locked and that’s it for you? I just 
> think it’s a security issue. And it’s one that has been totally glossed over 
> by most folks. Imagine you’re in a big city. Can’t you imagine the notion 
> that somebody could take your phone and unlock it and go away and you never 
> even knew it was gone until it was too late? Haven’t you heard of folks 
> having their pockets picked? Again I say, it is a security issue. Not for too 
> many people, because it wouldn’t affect the sighted. And apparently it 
> doesn’t affect all blind people, although I do know folks who say that even 
> for them, when they can’t use the attention feature, went home, they have a 
> turned off, because it is a hassle.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would 
>> stop them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on the 
>> Touch Id.
>> Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
>> unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could 
>> not remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to get 
>> into that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
>> Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of 
>> your face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id 
>> would work if most of your face was covered by your hand.
>> I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least 
>> another year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife and 
>> I have other plans which require spending money, but I think once you get 
>> used to it it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since Touch Id 
>> is not perfect, either. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: face id question
>> 
>> If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like 
>>> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of 
>>> course I want to. But if there's no security?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo <michaelmasl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you 
>>>> get a phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the 
>>>> attention part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this 
>>>> happens, all you have to do is have your camera towards  your face 
>>>> and it will unlock your phone. Hope this helps
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> Michael maslo
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
>>>>> 
>>>>> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can 
>>>>> they get around the face id?
>>>>> 
>>>>> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be 
>>>>> a issue for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hank
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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