any "future boss" that couldn't be open minded enough to just accept how I 
used my phone, would almost certainly be too closed minded to employ a VI 
anyway, so again, not really a good argument.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com>
To: "viPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, 
you would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, 
and now I’m done.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
> It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing 
> to have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can 
> almost guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like 
> FaceID, albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not 
> counting attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the 
> phone without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing 
> VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get 
> better, as it did with TouchID.
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or 
>> pocket, you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, 
>> FaceID is much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>> Aleeha
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>> <goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
>>> and
>>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
>>> in
>>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this 
>>> is
>>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
>>> as
>>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
>>> that
>>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jed Barton" <j...@jedbarton.com>
>>> To: "viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jed
>>>
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