It is pretty lame that Aira was singled out like this. I personally see nothing wrong with this post but what do I know. I’m not the biggest fan of moderation in groups because of stuff like this.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree that Aira while having come up at various times before is certainly > not in everybody's face all the time. If you, Andy, are subscribe to so many > lists and Podcasts where it is discussed you obviously have a great deal of > spare time for all this. I can hardly keep up with the Viphone, Jaws and > Windows 10 groups which I am subscribed to and rarely do I hear about Aira. > In fact, it's on my list of things to do to find out more about what Aira is > offering in Canada. > I certainly did not consider Jonathan's post inappropriate in any way and > find it regrettable that Mark apparently judged it to be so. I don't think in > a case like Aira you can separate the app from the service. There are many > examples on this list where services are discussed. People ask questions > about Apple Music or Netflix and not always is the question strictly about > the Music app or the Netflix app but about the service in general and I > therefore wonder what makes Aira so different. There have been lengthy > discussions here about the services and phone plans offered by various US > cell phone providers where I am pretty sure Mark has participated or even > initiated the topic and that is hardly only iPhone related. > But of course groups like Viphone are not democracies and Mark is the > moderator so I guess his word is the law, but it is unfortunate to loose any > future contributions of a member as accomplished and well-regarded as > Jonathan. > > Best regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Janet > Bell > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: An Aira Update > > if you get so much information about stuff maybe you should look at your own > subscriptions. I am glad it has been put up on this list because I have > never heard of it and it seems like a good idea to me Janet > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Baracco > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 4:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: An Aira Update > > It's not that jonathan isn't welcome, it the aiRa propaganda. Personally, > I'm tired of them always being in my face, i. e. Emails, podcasts, etc. > they're not new, and I'm tired of hearing about them. > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Otten" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: An Aira Update > > > I’m not Jonathan, but when the moderator of the list says that such posts > are not welcome, what else would you expect? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 26, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Jewel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jonathon! Why punish us all just because of the negative reaction of a >> very few? >> >> Jewel >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jonathan Mosen" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:42 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: An Aira Update >> >> Hi Mark and everyone. Given this new policy, I'll be unsubscribing after >> around 9 years on the >> group, but I want to express my disappointment about this change. >> During Cara's excellent and even-handed leadership of this group, we had >> many occasions where app >> developers would engage with us about their apps, especially when those >> apps were blindness >> specific. >> Since this particular app was one that has come up here on multiple >> occasions, with some mentioning >> it as one of their top apps of 2018, it seemed appropriate, on-topic, and >> of value to interested >> members to let them know about recent developments, especially a free >> trial. This has been welcomed >> on other groups. >> It's a difficult and false distinction to separate the app from the >> service, when the app is the >> vehicle for that service. >> Further, the service itself would in the past have been considered >> on-topic, because one uses it on >> an iPhone and it is blindness specific. >> Anyway, I've learned a great deal over the last 9 years, so thanks to >> everyone for that. >> Should you wish to be on a group where app developers and users can freely >> interact, you're welcome >> to join my BlindPhones list, which covers both iOS and Android. If an app >> developer wishes to take >> time to engage, they are welcomed with open arms. >> [email protected]. >> And of course as has been already pointed out in this thread, there's an >> Aira group too. >> Thanks all. >> >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, audiobooks and training >> http://www.mosen.org >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of M. >> Taylor >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:31 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: An Aira Update >> >> I see your point, Andy. Be that as it may, any new service being offered >> to our community, is >> always appreciated. >> >> However, and this is to everyone, the iOS app only, is to be discussed on >> this list. Any questions >> regarding the service, itself, to be taken off-list, immediately. >> >> Thank you all for observing this policy. >> >> Moderator Mark >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Andy Baracco >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:10 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: An Aira Update >> >> I didn't know that ads were allowed on this list. >> >> Andy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James English" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 2:35 PM >> Subject: Re: An Aira Update >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm curious. What things can the service not be used for?<div >>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> >>> <table style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;"> >>> <tr> >>> <td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a >>> href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"; >>> target="_blank"><img >>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"; >>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" >>> /></a></td> >>> <td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e; >>> font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; >>> line-height: 18px;">Virus-free. <a >>> href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"; >>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com</a> >>> </td> >>> </tr> >>> </table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" >>> height="1"></a></div> >>> >>>> On 1/26/19, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi all. Since the middle of October, I've been Aira's VP of Explorer >>>> communications. Since Aira has an iOS app, I thought the following info >>>> may >>>> be of interest to some. >>>> >>>> For those not familiar with Aira, we provide real-tine audio description >>>> of >>>> anything visual, provided by security-vetted, trained professionals. You >>>> can >>>> use it with your iPhone on its own, or if you perform any tasks where >>>> it's >>>> useful to have both of your hands free, we offer optional smart glasses. >>>> >>>> The Aira app is free, and it's free to use in an increasing number of >>>> locations, or for an increasing number of tasks. We also offer >>>> subscription >>>> plans, much like cell phone plans, where you can use it for any task, >>>> anywhere. >>>> >>>> If you've been curious about Aira and have wanted to take it for a spin >>>> in >>>> your own environment, we've released a free 7-Day Trial of our full paid >>>> service. This offer means that anyone with a free account can try >>>> anytime >>>> access to Aira's professional agents whenever it suits them - just like >>>> a >>>> paying subscriber. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The 7-Day Trial provides 30 minutes to try Aira's service over a period >>>> of >>>> seven days. Some of that time will be used for setting up account >>>> preferences and asking questions about the service, but the majority of >>>> that >>>> time is free to use for any task. It's a great opportunity for people >>>> new >>>> to >>>> Aira to experience why so many use it as a must-have tool for enhancing >>>> everyday life. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Got some mail that needs sorting? Need a professional agent to connect >>>> to >>>> your computer to help with an inaccessible site? Or just want to >>>> research >>>> nearby restaurants or stores? Well, now you can, as a free user and from >>>> the >>>> comfort of your home. >>>> >>>> For all the details including a list of frequently asked questions, head >>>> on >>>> over to >>>> >>>> https://aira.io/free-trial >>>> >>>> Second, Aira has recently released a comprehensive series of training >>>> modules available for streaming online, or for download in DAISY and >>>> MP3. >>>> You can find it at: >>>> >>>> http://aira.io/training. This is a good way to learn about Aira even if >>>> you're not signed up yet but are curious. Because this is such a new >>>> class >>>> of technology, many people not only want to know how to use Aira, but >>>> how >>>> it >>>> might fit into their toolbox of blindness skills and apps. >>>> >>>> Finally, we've just launched a podcast, called Airacast. >>>> >>>> It's packed with news, interviews, tips, tricks, listener comments and >>>> more. >>>> >>>> Subscribe to Airacast now from all the places most people get their >>>> podcasts, including iTunes/Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music, Stitcher, >>>> TuneIn and more. Spotify is coming soon, iHeart Radio in a couple of >>>> months >>>> and an Alexa skill will be released eventually. >>>> >>>> Many people enjoy hearing podcasts through HumanWare's Victor Reader >>>> Stream, >>>> so of course it's listed there too. >>>> >>>> Should you wish to enter the RSS feed manually into your podcast client >>>> right away, it is: >>>> >>>> https://airacast.libsyn.com/rss >>>> >>>> Search for Airacast in your podcast app of choice, or Here's an Apple >>>> podcasts link for you. >>>> >>>> https://itunes.apple.com/nz/podcast/airacast-with-jonathan-mosen/id144988870 >>>> 1 >>>> >>>> All the best. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if >>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners >>>> or >>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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